Nitto ATP Finals aka Turin

[jimlosaltos]

Here's "Sportsball" 's plot of every Sincaraz vs Sincaraz point (Pre the ATP Tour Final where Jannik won by six, which brought them to a dead tie )
Data from Tennis Abstract.

Amazing

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Here's something amazing and bizarre, despite Carlos' 10-6 H2H advantage, the two have now won an identical number of points against each other since they first met in Challenger in Alcante in 2019.

A tennis journo posted this before their final: Only 6 points separate them Alcaraz - 1,579 points vs Sinner - 1,573 points. Assuming he's right ...

Sinner won -- you guessed it -- 6 more points than Alcaraz Sunday, 78 to 72.

Kismet. They're mystically linked

I think the big 3 won about 54% of all points they played. Sinner and Alcaraz being so even is something.

[jimlosaltos]

Here's something amazing and bizarre, despite Carlos' 10-6 H2H advantage, the two have now won an identical number of points against each other since they first met in Challenger in Alcante in 2019.

A tennis journo posted this before their final: Only 6 points separate them Alcaraz - 1,579 points vs Sinner - 1,573 points. Assuming he's right ...

Sinner won -- you guessed it -- 6 more points than Alcaraz Sunday, 78 to 72.

Kismet. They're mystically linked

UPDATE: Confirmed via TennisAbstract Sincaraz are now dead even, in points won against each other.

After 16 matches against each other comprising 3,302 points across seven years since they met at a Challenger in 2019, Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner have both won an identical 1,651 points in their joint matches, even though Carlos leads their H2H 10-6. Kismet? Sincaraz cosmically linked? Quantum "Spooky action at a distance"? Make of that what you will.

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I prefer Carlos’s. It’s a little cleaner for me. I’m not sure how Sinner pulls that off with the racket face inverted like that just prior to forward swing. It relies on split second timing. It’s a really fast stretch-shortening cycle he’s got there too.

Yes I am not sure about that completely inverted racquet face preparation either, but Sinner seems the best at taking the ball on early since Fed(maybe Fognini when he felt like Iike it). Sock used to do the same thing, but his grip was a full western.

[stotty]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ADLR1foW2/

This is pretty cool. It superimposes the forehand of Sinner and Alcaraz technique on forehand

I prefer Carlos’s. It’s a little cleaner for me. I’m not sure how Sinner pulls that off with the racket face inverted like that just prior to forward swing. It relies on split second timing. It’s a really fast stretch-shortening cycle he’s got there too.

[stotty]

The sheer tension affected both. Jannik did better at rising above it on the key points. First time I've seen Sinner "win ugly", in BGs terms. Makes him human, the match an emotional roller coaster, an entertaining when too many matches are repetitive.

Hey, stotty, give credit to a player who, when he couldn't get a first service in, responded by hitting his serves - harder.

I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed it too. And you’re right, Sinner dealt with edgy nature of the match better.

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https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ADLR1foW2/

This is pretty cool. It superimposes the forehand of Sinner and Alcaraz technique on forehand

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https://www.instagram.com/p/DRHMz9ZCDnz/?igsh=MTFxYTYxYmN1ejV0ag==

[jimlosaltos]

It wasn’t their best encounter. There was a spell - the last two games of the first set and the tiebreak - where I thought the match might really take off. The standard went consistently high for that short while. Sinner did find a groove in the latter part of the second set and you felt his consistency would pull him through in the end. In the last few matches I have seen of these two, Sinner never seems to serve that well when he plays Carlos - his percentage drops.

I felt Carlos underperformed. He was poor at the net by his standards and made too many errors, often on routine shots.

The sheer tension affected both. Jannik did better at rising above it on the key points. First time I've seen Sinner "win ugly", in BGs terms. Makes him human, the match an emotional roller coaster, an entertaining when too many matches are repetitive.

Hey, stotty, give credit to a player who, when he couldn't get a first service in, responded by hitting his serves - harder.

I enjoyed it.

[stotty]

It wasn’t their best encounter. There was a spell - the last two games of the first set and the tiebreak - where I thought the match might really take off. The standard went consistently high for that short while. Sinner did find a groove in the latter part of the second set and you felt his consistency would pull him through in the end. In the last few matches I have seen of these two, Sinner never seems to serve that well when he plays Carlos - his percentage drops.

I felt Carlos underperformed. He was poor at the net by his standards and made too many errors, often on routine shots.

[jimlosaltos]

And that's the ATP year end. Here's the final rankings.

As someone said, "There's more distance between the top two and the rest of the top 5 than there is between the other Top 5 and the ATP 200."

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Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt, but I find it very, very strange that these two are repeatedly playing in the finals of the biggest events. What does this imply? Are they the greatest players ever to dominate the sport the way they are? It's odd...to say the least. Almost disturbing.

The Big 3 won most everything for about 15 years. I am still shaking my head about not only their Majors dominance but almost even more impressive their Master's 1000 dominance. Heck, Novak even won all the Masters 1000's twice. Mind boggling to me. If one of the Big 3 had not been around, I think we all know what would have transpired. I seriously doubt the big 2 will have that level of dominance for 15 years, but we will see. Chime in anytime time DB.

[don_budge]

Excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt, but I find it very, very strange that these two are repeatedly playing in the finals of the biggest events. What does this imply? Are they the greatest players ever to dominate the sport the way they are? It's odd...to say the least. Almost disturbing.

[jimlosaltos]

In winning the first set Sinner was hitting with more pace (forehand ave 10 kph faster, see below) and his first serve was more effective.

1 of 2 from TennisTV

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[jimlosaltos]

Carlos leads 5-4 first set

First, someone keels over in the stands and now an MTO for Carlos. This game cannot quite get going despite some spectacular hitting here and there. I’m finding the match quite edgy.

Lots of tension and it's showing on the players. Match started with both men being uncharacteristically timid, feeling each other out, perhaps wary of swinging out.

Then they ramped up.

After bold play to win the tiebreak, Sinner comes out flat and gifts Carlos the first game of the second set. Misses serves, forehand for the break.