2018 U. S. Open Championships...ATP 2000...New York, New York U. S. A.

[stotty]

Granted Serena is cocooned by an entourage. I am not sure Connors had an entourage back then. Most likely he was simply a nasty piece of work all by himself. But in Serena's case the situation with her coach is intriguing. He said he made coaching signals, she says he didn't and never has. They seem to be in a stand off position at the moment and I wonder if he will end up getting the boot. He strikes me as coach highly skilled in massaging egos. Where he's been very clever is he has massaged Serena's ego by bigging her up in public to the public. No other coach has ever done this with a player to such a degree.

[stroke]

"but she won't", so true, no doubt about that. Connors, he certainly never owned that awful spectacle vs Aaron Krickstein. That kind of behavior by both and total lack of any semblance of self awareness is almost beyond belief. Good to see you posting again, always on point it seems to me.

[10splayer]

Serena has done a great job of rewriting the narrative about what happened out there, but pandering(thanks stotty) to her is not the answer. That was done in her post match press conference.

Great point. Why is so hard for Serena, or many other athletes to just say that they didn't handle the situation well? For god's sakes I certainly haven't. Is it any wonder why pro athletes think they are above the law and common decency? Perhaps one of the reasons is because of the lackeys who make excuses for their every move. Just thinking out loud. Upbringing? Race? Sexism? Jesus Christ, we're not arguing mitigating circumstances to protect one from the death penalty. She acted like an idiot, and i would find her much more appealing if she just owned it.

But she won't. She has proven time and time again she is poor sport, which will forever distract from her rightful place as GOAT. Make now mistake though, she is no Roger Federer. Not even close.

[klacr]

You are so right of course, it goes back to changing the narrative, the straw man. I seem to have a stalker on this board, who I blocked some time ago, who is also a straw man, as I remember..

Thanks seano.
Dr. Allen Fox has written some real gems and often when I am confused, perplexed or frustrated with certain aspects of tennis or even my own game I find his commentary and insights to be invaluable to myself and my students.

Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton

[bottle]

It is all about changing the narrative. Tennis metaphoring life. That is the tactic today...obfuscate the truth with false assumptions and narratives. The guilty parties of this flawed logic want us to assume a false A so that they can prove a false B. It doesn't work and this sort of logic is doomed. It will find it's meandering way into the mulch pile where it belongs.

Fake News. With the herd so dependent upon their daily dose of information it is the recipe for a dangerous situation. Situations such as this Serena Williams debacle are used to further divide the masses. As if such a thing were possible.

Stalker? Straw man? No...really?

Are you saying the scarecrow in THE WIZARD OF OZ is a stalker? Name-calling! Also, possessive its never splits.

[don_budge]

You are so right of course, it goes back to changing the narrative, the straw man. I seem to have a stalker on this board, who I blocked some time ago, who is also a straw man, as I remember..

It is all about changing the narrative. Tennis metaphoring life. That is the tactic today...obfuscate the truth with false assumptions and narratives. The guilty parties of this flawed logic want us to assume a false A so that they can prove a false B. It doesn't work and this sort of logic is doomed. It will find it's meandering way into the mulch pile where it belongs.

Fake News. With the herd so dependent upon their daily dose of information it is the recipe for a dangerous situation. Situations such as this Serena Williams debacle are used to further divide the masses. As if such a thing were possible.

Stalker? Straw man? No...really?

[don_budge]

Kyle - That's an excellent find with Dr. Fox's article, I had not read that before. Tennis.com has a second pro-umpire article written by Steve Flink. I'm pleasantly surprised that Tennis.com has "given voice" to these two articles, well done.

seano...another super article by an author who has decided to treat this like the tennis match it was and not Romper Room where the infant terrible gets to the throw the tantrum of her choice when things don't go her way. The more this discussion goes on the more I realize what a monster was created. That is the real story and that deserves some microscopic investigation into all of the angles instead of just shoring it up with the usual social justice excuses.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2018/09/carlos-ramos-correct-us-open-final-serena-williams-naomi-osaka-controversy/76919/

The email from Marshall Happer was a beautiful piece of writing. Written without the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS that is demanded of the individual in these weird modern times...he lays it out in a sound, intelligent, thoughtful and unbiased manner. He makes the argument without trying to appeal to the base needs of the "afflicted" mass of the crowd.

[bottle]

You are so right of course, it goes back to changing the narrative, the straw man. I seem to have a stalker on this board, who I blocked some time ago, who is also a straw man, as I remember..

Yeah, I've always loved the Wizard of Oz, taught it to second graders today as a matter of fact. I found it nice when Dorothy stuffed the straw back in the shirt.

What you need to know is yes, I actually read what you write.

[seano]

Kyle - That's an excellent find with Dr. Fox's article, I had not read that before. Tennis.com has a second pro-umpire article written by Steve Flink. I'm pleasantly surprised that Tennis.com has "given voice" to these two articles, well done.

[stroke]

Serena demanded that chair umpire Carlos Ramos apologize to her and make an announcement to the stadium after the coaching violation, as she felt it defamed HER character. She was then shocked when she was penalized a game after (what she thought was) calling Ramos a "thief" and a "liar". It can't work both ways. In reality, the warning for coaching went against her due to her coach, nothing to do with Serena or her character. Then she calls Ramos names that would defame his character and I guess that is ok? Just doesn't make sense.

In other news, Novak Djokovic leapfrogged Roger Federer in the career all-time prize money with $119,110,890 over Roger's $117,773,812.

Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton

You are so right of course, it goes back to changing the narrative, the straw man. I seem to have a stalker on this board, who I blocked some time ago, who is also a straw man, as I remember..

[klacr]

In conversations like these I think its important to refer back to one of my favorite articles on this site and from one of the best minds in tennis...Dr. Allen Fox. Enjoy

https://www.tennisplayer.net/article...-goal-in-mind/

Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton

[don_budge]

Serena demanded that chair umpire Carlos Ramos apologize to her and make an announcement to the stadium after the coaching violation, as she felt it defamed HER character. She was then shocked when she was penalized a game after (what she thought was) calling Ramos a "thief" and a "liar". It can't work both ways. In reality, the warning for coaching went against her due to her coach, nothing to do with Serena or her character. Then she calls Ramos names that would defame his character and I guess that is ok? Just doesn't make sense.

In other news, Novak Djokovic leapfrogged Roger Federer in the career all-time prize money with $119,110,890 over Roger's $117,773,812.

Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton

With her nothing makes sense.

I still cannot get over why she said "other men" three times. Twice in her argument with the tournament director and once in the post match interview. If I were referring to women who were behaving in a certain manner I would say..."women get away with it" or "the women get away with it". I would never say "other women get away with it". Serena is looking pretty burley these days. I find her to be a very strange character. Shouldn't I believe my eyes? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...aren't the odds that it is a duck? It's a duck, right?

Why is she laying it on so thick about the mother thing? It's as if she is trying to convince us that she is. Really an odd character. Just dominated women's tennis for what seems like forever. When she is playing "other women" it looks as if she just bullies them. It doesn't seem fair.

[klacr]

Serena demanded that chair umpire Carlos Ramos apologize to her and make an announcement to the stadium after the coaching violation, as she felt it defamed HER character. She was then shocked when she was penalized a game after (what she thought was) calling Ramos a "thief" and a "liar". It can't work both ways. In reality, the warning for coaching went against her due to her coach, nothing to do with Serena or her character. Then she calls Ramos names that would defame his character and I guess that is ok? Just doesn't make sense.

In other news, Novak Djokovic leapfrogged Roger Federer in the career all-time prize money with $119,110,890 over Roger's $117,773,812.

Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton

[arturohernandez]

I know the solution. Make Carlos Ramos the head of officiating at all tournaments.

He seems to be very strict and he called out Rafa so it is hard to say that he has it out for any particular gender or race.

Then everyone would be penalized and they would all behave.

Time to smile you guys. Life is too short.

[bottle]

But we love it when John McEnroe sweeps the cups off the low table, which we can see immortalized in video forever and ever. Personally, I think the chorus here-- I mean everybody across the board who wants to moralize, also forever, over this Serena incident (since they may have forgotten the last), is as out of control right now as she was during the match. Y'all can take your petty moralizing and have it. But will you realize that the level of your human discourse is no higher than the Monday morning quarterbacks on the sports radio talk shows? When I hear that pompous tone I don't listen to another word, just keep going to classical music or jazz.

The correct reply to this sorry incident was a groan. Anything else-- again, you can have it and go at it. But not with this one person's applause. Do you really think Serena should be censured more? What happened wasn't enough? I'm with the ones who blame the referee and all the stupid officials in tennis who didn't take care of the inconsistencies in the coaching on court paradigm long before now. And do you really think Serena should have been the one to sort it all out in the final of a U.S. Open, right then, right on the spot? To call a coaching infraction right there, right then, was an example of showboating and failure to deal with the problem at some appropriate time.

I think that every bit of Serena's behavior was completely understandable and not all all nefarious as the extremists seem to think. I like her voice and the ads in which she is featured and think I would like her as a human being if I knew her. There was a brief shot of somebody in the crowd long before the incident, her face wreathed in smiles. It was Virginia Wade, a fan of Serena if ever there was one. And there is a good chance, in fact, that Serena Williams is bigger than life.

All of her petty critics are just that-- petty. And stodgy. BOOOOOOO!