2018 U. S. Open Championships...ATP 2000...New York, New York U. S. A.

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Regarding The Serena meltdown.

Serena Williams has been a dominant champion for many years. No one can deny her skills as a tennis player, her will to win and her competitiveness. Sadly, when she behaves like she did on Saturday it tarnishes her image as a role model and leader. Just like her behavior in the 2009 semi-finals against Kim Clijsters and 2011 finals against Sam Stosur.

Serena took offense and felt attacked when she was given a warning because her coach got caught coaching from the box. Serena overreacted and felt it was personal attack against her character, which it wasn't. Her coach was caught and although it had nothing to do with Serena she has to have the warning assessed against her. Just a warning. Serena claims that she never gets coached and she would rather lose than cheat. Even though no one accused her of cheating. Her coach Patrick Mouratoglu even admitted to coaching after the match, which completely contradicts Serena's claim that she never receives coaching. After all those years of being together, Serena's coach just decided to begin coaching in that match? None of this would happen if he didn't get caught. Serena should be upset with him, not the umpire.

Serena then smashed her racquet which is irrefutable which had to prompt a second warning which results in a point penalty.
She then continued to jaw at the umpire and would not let it go. The umpire had no choice but to assess her a game penalty. Serena was losing at every point that these incidents had occurred.

Gerry Armstrong gave a textbook default to John McEnroe in 1990 at the Australian Open for intimidating a lines person, racquet abuse and audible obscenity. Classic chair umpiring.

The idea that ATP players are never penalized is false. The great, untouchable, god like figure Roger Federer has received two code violations for ball abuse and audible obscenity within the last two and a half months (Halle and Cincinnati)

2018 US Open Code Violations
Men - 86
Women - 22

Kyle LaCroix USPTA
Boca Raton

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The Winner is NAOMI OSAKA!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEwcMuXmgcY

Here she is. It's too bad it is all about Serena Williams shenanigans and antics. This young LADY handled it all with a class that belies her age. I was really impressed with her service motion as well as her composure under pressure. A real classy performance.

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First Day in the New School

I want to be observing through a one-way mirror as don_budge and stroke start lecturing Serena on court etiquette.

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Good find seano. It was an excellent article by Cindy Shmerler. It's hard to believe that Tennis.com would allow a writer to write without having to pull any punches here. Normally the thought police are out on the scene after these types of instances to plot the cover story. To obfuscate the reality of what happened. Normally the powers that be help the celebrity worm their way through a "rewriting of the narrative". Not this writer. Serena and the minions will do their best to punish her. Like she threatened the umpire in the match. She had the balls to sit in her chair demanding an apology...for enforcing the rules. She raked the poor guy over the coals good...for doing his job. "You'll never do another of my matches"...it's hard to imagine her superior attitude in a situation where she is so obviously wrong.

The video with the panel of four was also quite good. They did a bit more mamby pamby with their responses. Not much but you could see that they are afraid of the fallout of their comments. Serena has a way of making good on her threats as she is heavily protected by the powers that be. Don't feel sorry for poor little Serena in this case. In this case she is definitely one of the elites in the sport but her transgression is so pitiful even the mouthpieces are force to tell the truth. After all it took place out in front of a stadium of rational, sane adults. Or were they? There seemed to be a bunch of animals in the crowd that were giving her opponent are hard time. Billie Jean King and Chrissie Evert seemed to come to the demure feminist Serena. Chrissie is a first class suck up at this point too. I said as much in here John McEnroe/Chrissie Evert interview. McEnroe is not longer to be take at his word either. He is in lock step with the machine too. It is a job now and he has to eat too. Or pile on to his millions.

Mary Carillo put it best when she referred to Serena as a bully. She has been beating up on the ladies for a long time and rubbing it in for good measure. I have never once heard her being disingenuous. Her interviews are so narcissistic it really could almost induce vomiting. Seriously. And that voice...what is it with that voice? It sounds so...it is hard to put my finger on it. Anyways...I am certain that there quite a few of her competitors who are actually enjoying her meltdown/tantrum. I know I did.

Here's the voice: "Mama says knock you out." And that's a good idea, too, Mr. principal of the etiquette school. orangehair is only vice-principal.

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2 well written articles by Cindy Shmerler on Tennis.com and an Op Ed in the New York Times by Martina Navratilova.

I really liked the article on tennis.com. It did not spin what happened, it simply and concisely stated the facts, what transpired out there. This Serena thing/narrative about her receiving the 3rd code violation for "calling him a thief" is just not accurate as I am certain really everyone knows. She received the 3rd violation for the constant berating and incessant demands for an apology from the umpire. It was the totality of her actions/tantrum that got the 3rd code violation. The ol straw man argument of sexism and "all I did was call him a thief" is just transparently disingenuous.

Good find seano. It was an excellent article by Cindy Shmerler. It's hard to believe that Tennis.com would allow a writer to write without having to pull any punches here. Normally the thought police are out on the scene after these types of instances to plot the cover story. To obfuscate the reality of what happened. Normally the powers that be help the celebrity worm their way through a "rewriting of the narrative". Not this writer. Serena and the minions will do their best to punish her. Like she threatened the umpire in the match. She had the balls to sit in her chair demanding an apology...for enforcing the rules. She raked the poor guy over the coals good...for doing his job. "You'll never do another of my matches"...it's hard to imagine her superior attitude in a situation where she is so obviously wrong.

The video with the panel of four was also quite good. They did a bit more mamby pamby with their responses. Not much but you could see that they are afraid of the fallout of their comments. Serena has a way of making good on her threats as she is heavily protected by the powers that be. Don't feel sorry for poor little Serena in this case. In this case she is definitely one of the elites in the sport but her transgression is so pitiful even the mouthpieces are force to tell the truth. After all it took place out in front of a stadium of rational, sane adults. Or were they? There seemed to be a bunch of animals in the crowd that were giving her opponent are hard time. Billie Jean King and Chrissie Evert seemed to come to the demure feminist Serena. Chrissie is a first class suck up at this point too. I said as much in here John McEnroe/Chrissie Evert interview. McEnroe is not longer to be take at his word either. He is in lock step with the machine too. It is a job now and he has to eat too. Or pile on to his millions.

Mary Carillo put it best when she referred to Serena as a bully. She has been beating up on the ladies for a long time and rubbing it in for good measure. I have never once heard her being disingenuous. Her interviews are so narcissistic it really could almost induce vomiting. Seriously. And that voice...what is it with that voice? It sounds so...it is hard to put my finger on it. Anyways...I am certain that there quite a few of her competitors who are actually enjoying her meltdown/tantrum. I know I did.

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Okay, Guys, What if it were You?

Suppose you were in the U.S. Open Final, Men's, with all its hype and build-up, with the fully developed story lines, with your own expectation for yourself bubbling inside? And the same thing happened to you. Would you handle it? Would you keep your cool? Why, when it was passion that got you to the final in the first place?

There's so much hypocrisy in people who want more characters in the sport, more passion, less butt-scratching and ball-bouncing and more coming into the net, especially in players where coming to the net is not what they usually do.

Then Serena comes into the net almost 30 times. She doesn't ordinarily do that, does she? And that puts her into the final.

But do the boobirds comment on that? Ono. That would be something positive to say about Serena so no no no-- will not do.

Boobirds live closer to the surface. They use words like "essence" to refer to perfume and body odors, and to suggest that Serena Williams stinks. Nice guys! Not. Ungenerous, un-Christian, pontificating clods.

They ought to look for somebody with orange hair so the three of them can start an etiquette school.

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I really liked the article on tennis.com. It did not spin what happened, it simply and concisely stated the facts, what transpired out there. This Serena thing/narrative about her receiving the 3rd code violation for "calling him a thief" is just not accurate as I am certain really everyone knows. She received the 3rd violation for the constant berating and incessant demands for an apology from the umpire. It was the totality of her actions/tantrum that got the 3rd code violation. The ol straw man argument of sexism and "all I did was call him a thief" is just transparently disingenuous.

"Transparently disingenous." Do you have any idea how stuffy that sounds? And how it makes you seem like a stiff? What are you doing criticizing Serena anyway? Can't leave it up to a stupid referee? You have to be the referee too? Are you qualified for that? Why won't you guys discuss the initial point of the referee's decision to intervene when all the players were doing was playing fine tennis?

Because you're in to "debater's points" and you know you would lose on that one. I repeat, you are unqualified for serious discussion. But do I forbid it? No, of course not. But you just seem examples to me of the worst kind of bird in the sport kingdom. That would be boobirds.

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2 well written articles by Cindy Shmerler on Tennis.com and an Op Ed in the New York Times by Martina Navratilova.

I really liked the article on tennis.com. It did not spin what happened, it simply and concisely stated the facts, what transpired out there. This Serena thing/narrative about her receiving the 3rd code violation for "calling him a thief" is just not accurate as I am certain really everyone knows. She received the 3rd violation for the constant berating and incessant demands for an apology from the umpire. It was the totality of her actions/tantrum that got the 3rd code violation. The ol straw man argument of sexism and "all I did was call him a thief" is just transparently disingenuous.

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Tennis Etiquette

The last refuge of scoundrels?

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"These darkies have got to learn responsibility."

[QUOTE=don_budge;n73826]Time to take responsibility./QUOTE]

Serena Williams wasn't doing anything but playing tennis. And then the Sunday school teachers decided to interfere.

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stroke...I wouldn't underestimate yourself as a writer.

He's right. Because if ANYONE says he is a lousy writer, people will believe him.

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Paternalism from insecure males who want to keep the darkies down. Why, feeling the way they do, can't they be happy with the referee's decision? No they have to jump on. She's not only black, after all, but a woman (though they try to deny that-- totally ridiculous). I tell you, little TennisPlayer posters, given your past record on all things Serena, you should have stayed out. And Navrattleova, whom I usually adore, spent too much time in another culture where nobody knows nuthin about blacks.

As for 10splayer, and I was going to say this before without the benefit of these recent posts, may make a reappearance here now, and if he does, may be ugly or charming-- who knows? Up till now, however, he has NOT appeared. That is because, at times, he can be a very fine man.

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db, so spot on. Taking responsibility with a side of self-awareness and maybe a little humility could do wonders, all lost on Serena. On a side note, the NY fan reaction to the Serena shenanigans was not encouraging.

On another note, I miss 10splayer on the board, He really understood the biomechanics of tennis, and had a very no nonsense astute take on a lot of stuff

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Tennis Etiquette...and all things Serena Williams (R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y)

Sadly...Serena Williams' meltdown right in front of a full house ironically named after a great American Sportsman Arthur Ashe, the 2018 U. S. Open is a tribute to all things Serena. As far as I am concerned it is all on the table. I wouldn't be afraid to discuss any of it in front of anyone.

To be clear this is all about taking responsibility and should not be confused with a false narrative or false assumption that this monster of an ego is championing any causes other than her very own. But let's take a look at my major premise...it is all about taking responsibility. Where does the individual learn to take responsibility? It's a simple answer and my hope is that everyone will come up with a very simple answer. The individual learns to take responsibility in the home. Assuming that this is a given then we have to look at the home of Serena Williams. It is hard to begin to understand what actually took place in that home but one thing is for certain...the head of the house was a man by the name of Richard Williams. Much less is known about the female influence...the mother's.

Just what exactly did he teach his two girls. Richard is a rather bizarre character in his own right and it appears that the fruit has not fallen a great distance from the tree. Mr. Williams has pretty much disappeared from the scene and it is probably better as with advancing age he is probably not going to come off any better in the public eye. For whatever reason.

But obviously there is a problem with the child. A child who never grew up in some respects. One sees this quite often nowadays in particular when these sports celebrities think of themselves that they can do no wrong. One has to accept and seek responsibility in life if you are going to make heads or tails of it. It is the meaning of life...from the human perspective. Accepting responsibility and doing your best under any and all circumstances. It's a shame that a person such as the ilk of Serena Williams is cast into the spotlight as role model because of one reason...she has not learned to accept responsibility for her actions and behaviour. Pure and simple.

If you care to interject race into this particular issue that is well and good but then you will have to face some hard facts in that regard and in this modern society there will be a lot of finger pointing and use of the modern "N" word. Nazi. No longer is the "N" word nigger...it has been surpassed. This particular subject has absolutely nothing to do with race in the big picture but if you care to dip into the microcosm it may just come as a surprise what this really reveals. I suggest we leave this one alone here on the forum and stick with a discussion with personal responsibility and where the individual learns this concept.

In the final analysis this event is about one thing in particular and Martina Navratilova touched on this in her NYT op-ed. It is about tennis etiquette. Never do anything to gain unfair advantage or belittle your opponent. Williams is trying to bully everyone involved. The umpire, men in general, her opponents. The whole, entire shebang. The only one that she give a free pass to is herself. The self righteous bully. Sad commentary on a sad situation. It's a war on men and every thing is on the table. It's push back time. Time to take responsibility.

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Serena's rewrite Does Not Fly with rational, sane or otherwise "Credible Adults"...

Serena has done a great job of rewriting the narrative about what happened out there, but pandering(thanks stotty) to her is not the answer. That was done in her post match press conference.

That's right stroke...the "rewrite" is the "Essence of Serena". Never mind all of the past injustices in her life. We all have our crosses to bear. Her current cross is one of having too much money and fame. She is no longer in contact with reality. Is it her fault? I leave that up to others to decide.

stroke...I wouldn't underestimate yourself as a writer. You have a knack for saying a lot in very few words. The exact opposite as Barrack Obama for instance who can drone on and on and never get to a single substantial point. All pie in the sky. 10splayer is also someone who can say something very directly and make his point. I, on the other hand...well at some point the reader has to be the judge.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/0...pen-final.html

"Had I behaved like that on a tennis court, I would have expected to get everything that happened to Serena," Navratilova told Times reporter Juliet Macur in a separate story. "It should've ended ... with the point warning, but Serena just couldnt let it go."

"At her very best and she is very often at her very best I respect and admire Serena beyond measure," Carillo told MSNBC on Monday. "...But at her very worst, as she was on [Saturday] night, she acts like a bully."

She's a bully alright. Look up the word in the dictionary and you are bound to see Serena's picture under the word. Serena Williams has been bullying the women on the Ladies Tour for what seems like forever.