2021 U. S. Open Tennis Championships...ATP 2000...New York, New York

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  • jimlosaltos
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    From ATP site today, Zverev winning Olympics vs Novak, 17 point differential at the net.

    Net Points
    • Sasha = won 72% (26/36)
    • Novak = won 43% (9/21)

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  • don_budge
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    Novak Djokovic Grand Slam Final Record...

    This is a tremendous amount of experience...20-10 win/loss in Grand Slam Finals.

    https://www.tennis-x.com/grand-slam-...k-djokovic.php

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  • stroke
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    Originally posted by jthb1021
    Wimbledon is a different beast right? Even though the courts are not the old grass it is different than the hard courts this weekend. In 3 tiebreakers of the epic Wimbledon final I think I remember Roger only coming to the net 2 or 3 times. Novak implemented his lockdown mode and took the tiebreakers easily. If you’re gonna take it to Novak and impose your game on him…executing and looking to move forward is the key and especially in the big moments. That’s where Roger went wrong mentally… he played safer in the breakers right into Novak’s hands. You need to move forward to impose your will or you’ll have to beat him at his own game lockdown style. Either way mentally you’re going to have to stick with your overall game plan on the big points.
    Almost more impressive to me was how Novak, who was definitely in lockdown mode, was completely unfazed by the unprecedented crowd support for his opponent Fed. I just don't think Fed or anyone other than Novak could deal with that massive lack of crowd support like Novak. Novak to me is without a doubt the greatest singles player of all time. That being said, in my dreams, I would prefer to play tennis like Roger.
    Last edited by stroke; 09-10-2021, 10:24 AM.

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  • jthb1021
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    Originally posted by arturohernandez
    As I watch this run by Djokovic, I just keep thinking about the fact that Federer had match point on him just 2 years ago. There are so many obvious signs that Federer was brilliant. I hate to use the past tense here. But the fact that he could stay toe to toe with Djokovic at 38 is unbelievable.

    More globally, only a few players are able impose their will in a match.

    I almost want to go back and watch that match to see how he did it.
    Wimbledon is a different beast right? Even though the courts are not the old grass it is different than the hard courts this weekend. In 3 tiebreakers of the epic Wimbledon final I think I remember Roger only coming to the net 2 or 3 times. Novak implemented his lockdown mode and took the tiebreakers easily. If you’re gonna take it to Novak and impose your game on him…executing and looking to move forward is the key and especially in the big moments. That’s where Roger went wrong mentally… he played safer in the breakers right into Novak’s hands. You need to move forward to impose your will or you’ll have to beat him at his own game lockdown style. Either way mentally you’re going to have to stick with your overall game plan on the big points.

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  • jthb1021
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    For Zverev to do it he will have to have a high first serve percentage overall but a really high percentage in the handful of critical points and games. I’ve seen the second serve and I don’t believe in it. He will juice it up and go for it, rev it up to 108, awkwardly try to put pure topspin for the backhand jam serve. If he’s hitting too many second serves in the big moments this might not be much of a fight. Novak executes a game plan better than anyone I’ve ever seen and you know he will have one for Zverev.
    I have a feeling Zverev will be expecting a backhand to backhand fight like Medvedev thought he would get in Australia. I feel Novak will try to break his forehand down early and will execute an assault on that wing. If it breaks then Zverevs goes the spirit and confidence…it could get ugly really quickly.
    Personally I believe Medvedev has the best chance of stropping Novak’s quest. He’s been in the big match vs Novak now twice. He’s been right there with Nadal on Ashe. If you’re gonna beat Novak this weekend you’re gonna have to go through hell to do it and you can’t pay yourself on the back for winning the first set. You can’t just bash huge forehands and beat him when he goes into lockdown mode. It’s scary because as a coach you hate to say this but I think you have to play his game and do it better. He’s had some lulls in previous matches so you gotta capitalize on that and at the end of the day you’ll have to go toe to toe against that lockdown mode and do it better. It’ll help if you can get a missed return or short return twice a service game! But Sampras isn’t playing this year!

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  • stotty
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    The oddsmakers have come in heavily in favour of Novak despite Zverez's fine form. The oddsmakers aren't stupid and no doubt factor a player's balls into their calculations.

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  • don_budge
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    Originally posted by don_budge
    2021 U. S. Open Championships...New York, New York...Act I

    Novak Djokovic is now 4-0 against Matteo Berrettini. The win yesterday the most convincing to date of the four considering the venue. A more one-sided beat down than his match with him at Wimbledon in the finals. Very convincing stuff. Novak's 6-3 head to head against Alexander "Second Serve" Zverev is even more lop sided if you take into consideration that he is 5-1 in the last six encounters with the only blemish at the "exhibition" Olympics where Novak clearly did not want to be there. Perhaps a bit of the old "limp leg" routine that might give "Second Serve" a bit of a false hope. Speaking of mental states. Finally, Novak is 5-3 against "Mr. Pencil" Daniil Medvedev. In the two most notable encounters in their rivalry at the Australian Open Novak won convincingly. The three Medvedev wins were arguably throwaways for Djokovic. Novak is in great position after his quarterfinal win.

    Act I is over for the 2021 U. S. Open. The preliminaries are done. Now for Acts II and III. The semifinals and the finals. Novak is obviously the flawed protagonist in that his popularity is rather lacklustre. Not that he cares a twit. He doesn't. His eyes are on the bottom line...which in this case is the trophy.

    "Second Serve" Zverev played a rather shaky move in the first set tie-break against Harris. Harris was serving for the set and Zverev delayed his service points for a solid two or three minutes which must have seemed like an eternity to Harris. It was a real shit move and Harris was beside himself when he eventually blew the tie-break that he seemed poised to win. More "Big Time Wrestling" shenanigans in the Tennis World. It has been reduced in stature over the years and this years event is evidence. No matter how you try to dress this one up...you can not make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.
    Even though Novak seems to clearly be in control on paper...this is an evolving situation. Or devolving...depending on your perspective. Novak has proved himself in the 20 Grand Slam titles he has won...not to mention his runner-up finishes. Are any of the other three ready to step up to take down the reigning "King of the Court"?

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  • don_budge
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    2021 U. S. Open Championships...New York, New York...Act I

    Novak Djokovic is now 4-0 against Matteo Berrettini. The win yesterday the most convincing to date of the four considering the venue. A more one-sided beat down than his match with him at Wimbledon in the finals. Very convincing stuff. Novak's 6-3 head to head against Alexander "Second Serve" Zverev is even more lop sided if you take into consideration that he is 5-1 in the last six encounters with the only blemish at the "exhibition" Olympics where Novak clearly did not want to be there. Perhaps a bit of the old "limp leg" routine that might give "Second Serve" a bit of a false hope. Speaking of mental states. Finally, Novak is 5-3 against "Mr. Pencil" Daniil Medvedev. In the two most notable encounters in their rivalry at the Australian Open Novak won convincingly. The three Medvedev wins were arguably throwaways for Djokovic. Novak is in great position after his quarterfinal win.

    Act I is over for the 2021 U. S. Open. The preliminaries are done. Now for Acts II and III. The semifinals and the finals. Novak is obviously the flawed protagonist in that his popularity is rather lacklustre. Not that he cares a twit. He doesn't. His eyes are on the bottom line...which in this case is the trophy.

    "Second Serve" Zverev played a rather shaky move in the first set tie-break against Harris. Harris was serving for the set and Zverev delayed his service points for a solid two or three minutes which must have seemed like an eternity to Harris. It was a real shit move and Harris was beside himself when he eventually blew the tie-break that he seemed poised to win. More "Big Time Wrestling" shenanigans in the Tennis World. It has been reduced in stature over the years and this years event is evidence. No matter how you try to dress this one up...you can not make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.

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  • stroke
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    If Novak does get to finals, will probably be about the same favorite vs Medvedev, if Medvedev defeats FAA.

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  • arturohernandez
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    Originally posted by stroke
    Oddsmakers have Novak at -240, a solid favorite vs Alex. That is about 70% implied probability of winning.
    It took me a while to figure it out. I kept asking myself who this Alex guy was.

    30% chance is probably way higher than anyone else he has played.

    The chances of Novak losing just went up 500%.

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  • stroke
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    Oddsmakers have Novak at -240, a solid favorite vs Alex. That is about 70% implied probability of winning.

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  • stotty
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    Originally posted by stroke

    I am such not a fan of running regularly running around the backhand to hit forehands.
    Me neither...

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  • stroke
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    Originally posted by arturohernandez
    The last point of the match summed it up well. Djokovic hits a body serve on the deuce side. Berretini is unable to get out of the way and it jams him. The ball lands in the net.

    Djokovic used a variation of the Delpo formula here. Actually, it is his basic formula. Few can go toe to toe with him on the backhand. He is able to pin the opponent in the corner. This forces them to overhit on the forehand.

    Game, set, match. Forehands and serves gets you close to the top. A good defensive backhand gets you even closer.

    The backhand down the line puts the Ferrari in the driveway. Brad Gilbert had it right and Berretini never was able to hit the backhand down the line effectively enough. Running around the backhand only delayed the pain. Eventually, Djokovic could get it back to the backhand whenever he wanted to.

    Game, set, match.
    I am such not a fan of running regularly running around the backhand to hit forehands.

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  • arturohernandez
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    As I watch this run by Djokovic, I just keep thinking about the fact that Federer had match point on him just 2 years ago. There are so many obvious signs that Federer was brilliant. I hate to use the past tense here. But the fact that he could stay toe to toe with Djokovic at 38 is unbelievable.

    More globally, only a few players are able impose their will in a match.

    I almost want to go back and watch that match to see how he did it.

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  • arturohernandez
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    The last point of the match summed it up well. Djokovic hits a body serve on the deuce side. Berretini is unable to get out of the way and it jams him. The ball lands in the net.

    Djokovic used a variation of the Delpo formula here. Actually, it is his basic formula. Few can go toe to toe with him on the backhand. He is able to pin the opponent in the corner. This forces them to overhit on the forehand.

    Game, set, match. Forehands and serves gets you close to the top. A good defensive backhand gets you even closer.

    The backhand down the line puts the Ferrari in the driveway. Brad Gilbert had it right and Berretini never was able to hit the backhand down the line effectively enough. Running around the backhand only delayed the pain. Eventually, Djokovic could get it back to the backhand whenever he wanted to.

    Game, set, match.

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