New Data Aggregator / Analysis Announced

[jimlosaltos]

" Tennis Data Innovations & Champion Data Join Forces To Develop Cutting-Edge Sport Data Platform"
https://www.atptour.com/en/news/tenn...y-2023-release

Promised to be "open" although it doesn't define what that means, then says to provide one reliable source. Seems contradictory. Actions speak louder than words.

Press Release opening


Tennis Data Innovations (TDI) has engaged Champion Data to develop the Tennis Sport Data Platform (TSDP), a critical piece of its technology framework set to transform the way tennis data is collected, analysed and consumed.

Champion Data is a company with more than 20 years’ experience delivering sports data and related services to broadcasters, sports organisations and betting providers across multiple sports including football, golf horse racing, AFL and lacrosse. The collaboration marks the latest step in TDI’s growth plans, which include delivering significant enhancements to tennis data capabilities alongside major growth in the value of its rights deals.

The TSDP will enable TDI to ingest, merge and distribute multiple live data sources from professional tennis, including umpire scoring and player & ball tracking data, at ultra-low latency. This puts TDI in position to directly serve the needs of its customers, including media, betting partners, players and fans as well as the capability to service other tennis bodies in future. Players and fans alike will benefit from the rich stream of content generated by the platform, as the stories behind pivotal moments in tennis are told through data.

The TSDP will also serve as a rich and accessible archive of historical data sets, in addition to providing an open ‘sandbox’ environment to enable third parties to innovate with tennis data.

[John Yandell]

Huh?

[doctorhl]

Does betting really drive most of the interest in data collection and presentation in tennis? I am naive enough to think that most of the data presented is for tennis enthusiasts and sport science nerds.

[jimlosaltos]

All of the major sports see online betting as a major source of future revenue growth. NFL has plans to turn major stadiums such as that of the Dallas Cowboys into betting emporiums where fans can make real-time bets on games as they watch.

Tennis, in particular, has financial issues and gets a smaller share of media per fan than other sports. ATP is "betting" that betting is its savior. Betting is driven by data and the premise is that the sporting events "own their own intellectual property".

Thus, the ATP's $1 Billion, no-bid deal to IMG for providing "data".

What isn't clear, among many things, is how this new data vendor relates to the $1 Billion IMG deal.

And, of more relevance to us as fans & some of us as coaches, is how we'll get access to the data.

I don't know the answer.

[stotty]

It's interesting....betting and data that is. I used to think I could glean everything from sitting in front of my TV watching a tennis match, and that data was not needed to interpret tennis matches. In some ways, in a native sense, it isn't. However, data can drill down and tell you so much more about a match...and help you work out the odds of certain things happening; such as, for an example, how many times Tsitsipas breaks serve over the course of a season in the third set.

Now who does that data benefit most? The bookies or the punter? Or neither? Supposing Tsitsipas has never broken serve in the third set in his career. The punter now knows that and so does the bookie. I rarely bet....so just wondering how live betting works with increasingly drilled down data at everyone's disposal. Formerly, one imagines, such data was at the disposal of the bookie only.

[stroke]

It's interesting....betting and data that is. I used to think I could glean everything from sitting in front of my TV watching a tennis match, and that data was not needed to interpret tennis matches. In some ways, in a native sense, it isn't. However, data can drill down and tell you so much more about a match...and help you work out the odds of certain things happening; such as, for an example, how many times Tsitsipas breaks serve over the course of a season in the third set.

Now who does that data benefit most? The bookies or the punter? Or neither? Supposing Tsitsipas has never broken serve in the third set in his career. The punter now knows that and so does the bookie. I rarely bet....so just wondering how live betting works with increasingly drilled down data at everyone's disposal. Formerly, one imagines, such data was at the disposal of the bookie only.

I know one thing, the oddsmakers/bookies really want our business, and they seem to never go out of business.

[stotty]

I know one thing, the oddsmakers/bookies really want our business, and they seem to never go out of business.

One thing that will beat the bookies without question will be AI. I wonder how the bookies will counter that.

[stroke]

One thing that will beat the bookies without question will be AI. I wonder how the bookies will counter that.

Could be, but the juice is a lot to overcome.

[jimlosaltos]

Could be, but the juice is a lot to overcome.

Just as large stock brokers doing algorithmic, flash trading get access to stock prices before anyone else (essentially legalized insider trading) bookies will have the data first, even if that means by a milisecond.

[stotty]

Just as large stock brokers doing algorithmic, flash trading get access to stock prices before anyone else (essentially legalized insider trading) bookies will have the data first, even if that means by a milisecond.

I think we are dreaming if we think AI is going to be as simple as that. Life is going to change dramatically and be unpredictably hard for EVERYONE; bookmakers too. Already scientists are talking about rival AI systems, not to mention specialist AI systems. I guess the hope is rival AI's do their job so well that they cancel each other out.

An AI could read everything that has ever been written and make sense of all of it and hold it altogether all at once in a moment...then improve on everything that has ever been accomplished immeasurably....imagine that!

The downside is that no specie with a higher intelligence as ever been subordinate to a specie of lower intelligence. That spells trouble for mankind if you ask me.

God knows what will happen to tennis.

[jimlosaltos]

I think we are dreaming if we think AI is going to be as simple as that. Life is going to change dramatically and be unpredictably hard for EVERYONE; bookmakers too. Already scientists are talking about rival AI systems, not to mention specialist AI systems. I guess the hope is rival AI's do their job so well that they cancel each other out.

An AI could read everything that has ever been written and make sense of all of it and hold it altogether all at once in a moment...then improve on everything that has ever been accomplished immeasurably....imagine that!

The downside is that no specie with a higher intelligence as ever been subordinate to a specie of lower intelligence. That spells trouble for mankind if you ask me.

God knows what will happen to tennis.

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