Jasmine Paolini forehand

Does Jasmine Paolini have a type 3 forehand?
Is there a good slow motion video of her fh?
Thank you

[jimlosaltos]

Here's a video at only a very quick search. It is NOT slowmo but you could use the gear icon in the lower right corner to hange playback speed.

[John Yandell]

Good video Jim. And no. Look how far behind the plane of the bdoy her racket goes.

Well seen! Thank you for both video and comment
Now at 4 seconds if she uncoiled and pulled the hand forward, then she would have a type 3 fh? From what I see at 4 s, she has the racquet to the right of the body and above the wrist. Is this correct?Thank you Paolini_alt.jpg

[John Yandell]

Still too high.

[seano]

Without real slow motion video it's difficult to really see the true mechanics of any stroke. I haven't been able to find any slo-mo video of Jasmine's forehand on the internet. John is correct that she has an excessive backswing that may create problems. Remember Dr. Gordon primarily looks at the forward swing when he analyzes a players stroke. He considers the forward swing to begin when he sees the first frame where the hand moves both forward and laterally to the hitting side. From the video, her initial movement she keeps the racquet head to an extreme outside position similar to Jannik Sinner, with the hitting side of the racquet pointing to the back fence, but much higher and further back behind her. Without at least 240 fps, it's difficult to see if she if she has a "flip" motion or she simply adjusts her hand/racquet position before pulling her hand forward. It's difficult as well to see how straight her arm is at contact.

Sean

Thank you both for your fb.
Gordon also said that the next gen fh has a manipulated flip rather than the atp 3 fh( that's what I understood) .. so for someone that has difficulty like me timing the atp 3 fh, should I just emphasize the forward swing from a set external shoulder rotation to internal rotation?seano can you please share a video that shows clearly what you're saying we can?t see in Paolini's video..Thank you

[seano]

The "flip" in BG's explanation for the "modern" forehand is that it's muscularly driven and the racquet head can stay above the hand. As opposed to the "flip" in the type 3 forehand is caused by the pulling force of the hand and the racquet head will create maximum stretch by dropping below hand level. If you have a straight arm forehand (type 3) you can have a positional backswing, where you position your hand far back in the backswing and to the outside on the hitting side of the body. If you have a bent elbow at contact, you'll need to develop racquet head speed in the backswing and incorporate it into the forward swing. The more bent the elbow is, the more speed in the backswing you will need. Federer is always the cleanest example of the "flip" being caused by the pulling force of the hand. The archives have plenty of Federer forehands.

[jimlosaltos]

The "flip" in BG's explanation for the "modern" forehand is that it's muscularly driven and the racquet head can stay above the hand. As opposed to the "flip" in the type 3 forehand is caused by the pulling force of the hand and the racquet head will create maximum stretch by dropping below hand level. If you have a straight arm forehand (type 3) you can have a positional backswing, where you position your hand far back in the backswing and to the outside on the hitting side of the body. If you have a bent elbow at contact, you'll need to develop racquet head speed in the backswing and incorporate it into the forward swing. The more bent the elbow is, the more speed in the backswing you will need. Federer is always the cleanest example of the "flip" being caused by the pulling force of the hand. The archives have plenty of Federer forehands.

Excellent. Thanks.