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  • jimlosaltos
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 4151

    #31
    Originally posted by stotty
    I believe the average speed of Mensik's first serve is around 130mph while his average second serve speed is 95mph. That's a huge difference in serve speed for a tour level player, which is strange for a player with such a good serve. He's a wonderful player and will take a lot of confidence from the win. I mean, it's not as if Novak his playing badly. His last two matches in the run up to the final were superb. I tend to agree that Novak has become an amazing spot server and it's a major factor in keeping him up there with the youngsters. Looking forward to getting Sinner back and an interesting ahead...

    Tend to agree with GG that Mensik is a great mover and shows signs of becoming a great match player.
    Mensik's match success so far is largely based on an astonishing win rate in tiebreakers.

    Per Jeff Sackman, Tennis Abstract, Mensik's tiebreak record is 30-13, a 70% win rate. For context, Djoko is the all time leaker at 66% (min 400 TBs), only a handful of stars are over 60%, and non-elite players "tend to stick around 50%".

    Since Sackman has the database, he's able to pull this kind of stuff. How does Mensik's start compared to others?

    Sackman: Let's get some context. Mensik has played 43 tiebreaks, so here are the players (born 1975 or later) with the best records in their own first 43.


    Player W-L Win%

    Pablo Cuevas 33-10 76.7%
    Novak Djokovic 32-11 74.4%
    Marcelo Rios 31-12 72.1%
    Lucas Pouille 30-13 69.8%
    Jakub Mensik 30-13 69.8%
    Sergiy Stakhovsky 29-14 67.4%
    Tommy Haas 29-14 67.4%
    Sebastien Grosjean 28-15 65.1%
    Marcos Baghdatis 28-15 65.1%
    Bernard Tomic 28-15 65.1%
    Milos Raonic 28-15 65.1%
    Botic van de Zandschulp 28-15 65.1%
    Alexei Popyrin 27-16 62.8%
    Kei Nishikori 27-16 62.8%
    Roberto Bautista Agut 27-16 62.8%
    Felix Auger-Aliassime 27-16 62.8%
    Lukas Lacko 27-16 62.8%
    Philipp Petzschner 27-16 62.8%
    Kristof Vliegen 27-16 62.8%
    Dominik Koepfer 27-16 62.8%​


    Jeff's point being " Can Mensik maintain this rate?" Probably not. Djokovic couldn't. But, here's an interesting take.

    "There's another reason why Isner--and Mensik--might outperform expectations. It's not that they get better in tiebreaks, it's that their serves are so good that they don't get worse.

    "I looked at tiebreak tactics a few years ago and discovered that servers, on average, become more conservative. Rallies stretch out. Here were the key findings:

    * Serve points won -6.5%
    * Aces -6.1%
    * First serve in "1.3%
    * Returns in play +8.5%
    * Rally Length +18.9%

    So, if Mensik has the confidence to keep his first serve going in tiebreakers, his odds of continuing to win TBs at a high rate will be up.

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    • jimlosaltos
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2011
      • 4151

      #32
      Here's Mensik's record vs Top 10 players, through Draper at Miami, i.e. not including beating Fritz and Djokovic there. Mensik is now 8-5 vs top 10 players.

      Not only does Mensik have a winning record vs the ATP Top 10, but even in the matches he lost, he's usually in the match, getting into a tiebreaker or taking a set. Two exceptions are his first at US Open vs Fritz, and Rotterdam vs de Minaur.

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      • stotty
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 6634

        #33
        Originally posted by jimlosaltos

        Mensik's match success so far is largely based on an astonishing win rate in tiebreakers.

        Per Jeff Sackman, Tennis Abstract, Mensik's tiebreak record is 30-13, a 70% win rate. For context, Djoko is the all time leaker at 66% (min 400 TBs), only a handful of stars are over 60%, and non-elite players "tend to stick around 50%".

        Since Sackman has the database, he's able to pull this kind of stuff. How does Mensik's start compared to others?

        Sackman: Let's get some context. Mensik has played 43 tiebreaks, so here are the players (born 1975 or later) with the best records in their own first 43.


        Player W-L Win%

        Pablo Cuevas 33-10 76.7%
        Novak Djokovic 32-11 74.4%
        Marcelo Rios 31-12 72.1%
        Lucas Pouille 30-13 69.8%
        Jakub Mensik 30-13 69.8%
        Sergiy Stakhovsky 29-14 67.4%
        Tommy Haas 29-14 67.4%
        Sebastien Grosjean 28-15 65.1%
        Marcos Baghdatis 28-15 65.1%
        Bernard Tomic 28-15 65.1%
        Milos Raonic 28-15 65.1%
        Botic van de Zandschulp 28-15 65.1%
        Alexei Popyrin 27-16 62.8%
        Kei Nishikori 27-16 62.8%
        Roberto Bautista Agut 27-16 62.8%
        Felix Auger-Aliassime 27-16 62.8%
        Lukas Lacko 27-16 62.8%
        Philipp Petzschner 27-16 62.8%
        Kristof Vliegen 27-16 62.8%
        Dominik Koepfer 27-16 62.8%​


        Jeff's point being " Can Mensik maintain this rate?" Probably not. Djokovic couldn't. But, here's an interesting take.

        "There's another reason why Isner--and Mensik--might outperform expectations. It's not that they get better in tiebreaks, it's that their serves are so good that they don't get worse.

        "I looked at tiebreak tactics a few years ago and discovered that servers, on average, become more conservative. Rallies stretch out. Here were the key findings:

        * Serve points won -6.5%
        * Aces -6.1%
        * First serve in "1.3%
        * Returns in play +8.5%
        * Rally Length +18.9%

        So, if Mensik has the confidence to keep his first serve going in tiebreakers, his odds of continuing to win TBs at a high rate will be up.

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        Strange Rafa and Roger aren't on the list. Granted big serving has a lot to do with it but you also need to be a great match player to win the majority of tiebreaks you play. Roger had a great serve and was a great match player, and Rafa one of the greatest ever match players.

        I guess from the underdog's point of view you are hoping to get the a tiebreak and putting all your efforts into it once you get there...it's a game plan for the big serving underdog.
        Stotty

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