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  • stroke
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 5156

    #16
    Originally posted by jimlosaltos
    Joao Fonseca picks his perfect player:

    * Juan Martin del Potro - Forehand
    * Djokovic - Backhand
    * Roger Federer - Volley & Slice
    * Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard - Serve

    Somewhere here on The 'Gram.
    Nitpicking, but volleys, Fed is not quite McEnroe or Pat Cash. Forehand, I still have to go with Nadal.

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    • stotty
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 6634

      #17
      Originally posted by jimlosaltos
      Joao Fonseca picks his perfect player:

      * Juan Martin del Potro - Forehand
      * Djokovic - Backhand
      * Roger Federer - Volley & Slice
      * Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard - Serve

      Somewhere here on The 'Gram.
      Rafa Nadal - Forehand
      Novak - Backhand
      Volley - Frank Sedgman
      Serve - Pete Sampras
      Mental - Borg/Nadal
      Speed - Carlos
      Stotty

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      • jimlosaltos
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 4151

        #18
        Originally posted by stotty

        Rafa Nadal - Forehand
        Novak - Backhand
        Volley - Frank Sedgman
        Serve - Pete Sampras
        Mental - Borg/Nadal
        Speed - Carlos
        The "Build the Best/Perfect Player" exercise is often interesting.

        From imperfect memory, Fed once included "touch" as a category and named Marcelo Rios, I believe. I quite liked that. Fed may have named Delpo and Fernando Gonzalez for forehand? I'm 80% on that.

        Volleys, Cash, McEnroe, Sedgman ... true greats stroke, stotty.



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        • jimlosaltos
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2011
          • 4151

          #19
          Both players from last week's Barcelona final now out with injury, as Holger Rune retired after one set due to "discomfort in his right leg".

          Again, Carlos pulled out before play with an "abductor" and some leg muscle pull.

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          • jimlosaltos
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 4151

            #20
            Jakub Mensik topped So Cal's Ethan Quinn in a serve fest.

            Mensik averaged -- averaged -- 131 MPH over 35 first serves in , Max 139 MPH. Quinn's improved service (moved to pinpoint) 125/134 MPH.

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            • jimlosaltos
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 4151

              #21
              Novak Djokovic out pretty tamely in his first match in Madrid 3 and 4 to Matteo Arnaldi, ranked 44.
              This is Djokovic's third consecutive defeat - to Mensik in Miami, to Tabilio in Monte Carlo's first round, and now to the 24 year old Italian.

              Yet again, Djokovic did well enough behind his first serve but lost on both sides of second serves. He's being consistently outrallied.
              Today, Djokovic with 32 UFEs, 17 on his backhand.

              Madrid is now without both finalists from Barcelona -- Alcaraz and Rudd - both by injury, and now Djokovic.

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              • stroke
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2006
                • 5156

                #22
                Novak played pretty well, but he just is not motivated enough to me to grind/lock down as necessary at anything other than Majors at this point. I think his rope-a-dope days may be behind him. Wimbledon looks like his last hurrah. Draper, Musetti, and Tsitsipas all with impressive wins. Fonseca still to come.

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                • jimlosaltos
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 4151

                  #23
                  Originally posted by stroke
                  Novak played pretty well, but he just is not motivated enough to me to grind/lock down as necessary at anything other than Majors at this point. I think his rope-a-dope days may be behind him. Wimbledon looks like his last hurrah. Draper, Musetti, and Tsitsipas all with impressive wins. Fonseca still to come.
                  The way ESPN puts it makes it seem like his game is like a pencil rolling off the edge of a table : "Djokovic is still seeking his first title of the season after winning his 99th title in August at the Paris Olympics. He has lost four finals since then. The only two players to reach the 100-title milestone are Jimmy Connors (109) and Roger Federer (103)."

                  Both those marks seemed in reach, now I'm not sure.

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                  • stotty
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 6634

                    #24
                    Originally posted by stroke
                    Novak played pretty well, but he just is not motivated enough to me to grind/lock down as necessary at anything other than Majors at this point. I think his rope-a-dope days may be behind him. Wimbledon looks like his last hurrah. Draper, Musetti, and Tsitsipas all with impressive wins. Fonseca still to come.
                    Actually, I think he's tournament rope-a-dopiing as oppose to player rope-a-dopiing. Everyone thinks he's reached his decline but come the slams he'll suddenly perk into to life.
                    Stotty

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                    • stotty
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 6634

                      #25
                      Not the best first set from either player. Plenty of unforced errors, and Fonseca failed to consolidate here and there when he had good chances in games and in the tiebreak.
                      Stotty

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                      • stotty
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 6634

                        #26
                        Solid performance from Paul in the end. He served well and hit his forehand well too. I was slightly disappointed in Fonseca. His error count was high and always at times when it was costly. Paul's forehand was better then Fonseca's overall on the day. Still, Fonseca is young, very young.

                        How different the 1000 events are these days. All of a sudden any number of players can win one.
                        Stotty

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                        • jimlosaltos
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 4151

                          #27
                          Originally posted by stotty

                          Actually, I think he's tournament rope-a-dopiing as oppose to player rope-a-dopiing. Everyone thinks he's reached his decline but come the slams he'll suddenly perk into to life.
                          I'm sure Djokovic will play better in the few majors he has left. One challenge, though, is that he no longer is guaranteed the advantage of a cushy draw (earned by his rank) so he can't afford to work himself into tournament sharpness. And beating, say, Alcaraz and Sinner back-to-back (should he get there ) is an ever tougher task.
                          Last edited by jimlosaltos; 04-26-2025, 02:27 PM.

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                          • jimlosaltos
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 4151

                            #28
                            Originally posted by stotty
                            Solid performance from Paul in the end. He served well and hit his forehand well too. I was slightly disappointed in Fonseca. His error count was high and always at times when it was costly. Paul's forehand was better then Fonseca's overall on the day. Still, Fonseca is young, very young.

                            How different the 1000 events are these days. All of a sudden any number of players can win one.
                            Haven't seen yet, but Fonseca must have been in Paul's service all day? -- Paul saved 10/11 BP, Joao 0/1 ?? Experienced helped on big points, perhaps?

                            As for your comment on UFEs: Paul was +4 ( 32 winners- 28 errors), Joao minus 12 (25 winners - 37 errors)

                            Amusingly, both players have virtually identical serve stats with both speed and winning percentages only separated by 1 digit cumulatively.

                            Serve Velocity

                            Fastest:

                            Paul 139 MPH Joao 138 MP

                            Ave First
                            Paul 121 MPH Joao 121 MPH

                            Ave Second
                            Paul 104 MPH Joao 104 MPH

                            Serves won %

                            First Serve
                            Paul 74% Joao 73%

                            Second Serve
                            Paul 48% Joao 48%

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                            • stroke
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 5156

                              #29
                              Originally posted by stotty

                              Actually, I think he's tournament rope-a-dopiing as oppose to player rope-a-dopiing. Everyone thinks he's reached his decline but come the slams he'll suddenly perk into to life.
                              I too think he can still go into lock down mode at Majors, like Wimbledon. The FO, we will see. That is a lot. What I meant about his rope-a-dope days being behind him is kind of fading in and out of matches. He did not have any sense of urgently 1st set vs Arnaldi. He tried step up in the 2nd set, came close to a late service break, but could not get it.

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                              • stroke
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2006
                                • 5156

                                #30

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