Nitto ATP Finals aka Turin

[jimlosaltos]

And that's the ATP year end. Here's the final rankings.

As someone said, "There's more distance between the top two and the rest of the top 5 than there is between the other Top 5 and the ATP 200."

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[stotty]

It wasn’t their best encounter. There was a spell - the last two games of the first set and the tiebreak - where I thought the match might really take off. The standard went consistently high for that short while. Sinner did find a groove in the latter part of the second set and you felt his consistency would pull him through in the end. In the last few matches I have seen of these two, Sinner never seems to serve that well when he plays Carlos - his percentage drops.

I felt Carlos underperformed. He was poor at the net by his standards and made too many errors, often on routine shots.

[jimlosaltos]

It wasn’t their best encounter. There was a spell - the last two games of the first set and the tiebreak - where I thought the match might really take off. The standard went consistently high for that short while. Sinner did find a groove in the latter part of the second set and you felt his consistency would pull him through in the end. In the last few matches I have seen of these two, Sinner never seems to serve that well when he plays Carlos - his percentage drops.

I felt Carlos underperformed. He was poor at the net by his standards and made too many errors, often on routine shots.

The sheer tension affected both. Jannik did better at rising above it on the key points. First time I've seen Sinner "win ugly", in BGs terms. Makes him human, the match an emotional roller coaster, an entertaining when too many matches are repetitive.

Hey, stotty, give credit to a player who, when he couldn't get a first service in, responded by hitting his serves - harder.

I enjoyed it.

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This is pretty cool. It superimposes the forehand of Sinner and Alcaraz technique on forehand

[stotty]

The sheer tension affected both. Jannik did better at rising above it on the key points. First time I've seen Sinner "win ugly", in BGs terms. Makes him human, the match an emotional roller coaster, an entertaining when too many matches are repetitive.

Hey, stotty, give credit to a player who, when he couldn't get a first service in, responded by hitting his serves - harder.

I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed it too. And you’re right, Sinner dealt with edgy nature of the match better.

[stotty]

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This is pretty cool. It superimposes the forehand of Sinner and Alcaraz technique on forehand

I prefer Carlos’s. It’s a little cleaner for me. I’m not sure how Sinner pulls that off with the racket face inverted like that just prior to forward swing. It relies on split second timing. It’s a really fast stretch-shortening cycle he’s got there too.

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I prefer Carlos’s. It’s a little cleaner for me. I’m not sure how Sinner pulls that off with the racket face inverted like that just prior to forward swing. It relies on split second timing. It’s a really fast stretch-shortening cycle he’s got there too.

Yes I am not sure about that completely inverted racquet face preparation either, but Sinner seems the best at taking the ball on early since Fed(maybe Fognini when he felt like Iike it). Sock used to do the same thing, but his grip was a full western.

[jimlosaltos]

Here's something amazing and bizarre, despite Carlos' 10-6 H2H advantage, the two have now won an identical number of points against each other since they first met in Challenger in Alcante in 2019.

A tennis journo posted this before their final: Only 6 points separate them Alcaraz - 1,579 points vs Sinner - 1,573 points. Assuming he's right ...

Sinner won -- you guessed it -- 6 more points than Alcaraz Sunday, 78 to 72.

Kismet. They're mystically linked

UPDATE: Confirmed via TennisAbstract Sincaraz are now dead even, in points won against each other.

After 16 matches against each other comprising 3,302 points across seven years since they met at a Challenger in 2019, Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner have both won an identical 1,651 points in their joint matches, even though Carlos leads their H2H 10-6. Kismet? Sincaraz cosmically linked? Quantum "Spooky action at a distance"? Make of that what you will.

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Here's something amazing and bizarre, despite Carlos' 10-6 H2H advantage, the two have now won an identical number of points against each other since they first met in Challenger in Alcante in 2019.

A tennis journo posted this before their final: Only 6 points separate them Alcaraz - 1,579 points vs Sinner - 1,573 points. Assuming he's right ...

Sinner won -- you guessed it -- 6 more points than Alcaraz Sunday, 78 to 72.

Kismet. They're mystically linked

I think the big 3 won about 54% of all points they played. Sinner and Alcaraz being so even is something.

[jimlosaltos]

Here's "Sportsball" 's plot of every Sincaraz vs Sincaraz point (Pre the ATP Tour Final where Jannik won by six, which brought them to a dead tie )
Data from Tennis Abstract.

Amazing

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