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  • stotty
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 6630

    #2191
    The "American Twist" serve, as it once termed, was taught that the racket arm must finish down the right of the body (for a righty) and not the left. It was part of the teaching back in the day. There is beautiful example and description of this in the book Tennis Strokes and Strategies, published in 1972. John Newcombe writes this section of the book and walks the reader through the American twist using with a photo sequence of his own serve. Tennis Strokes and Strategies was the leading book of the day and many of the top players of the time contributed to its making. I learned my entire game through this book and treated it like the bible.
    Stotty

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    • John Yandell
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2005
      • 6883

      #2192
      Just ordered the book.

      My opinion though is that the finish more to right is a consequence. Not something you try to manufacture!

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      • stotty
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 6630

        #2193
        Sure, but when the book arrives you will see it was taught. I learnt my tennis as a child from this book and I follow through almost entirely to the right on my second serve and only cut in to the left at the very end.

        I followed John Newcombe's instruction to the letter. Where I live everyone was self-taught through books back then. It was a case of John Newcombe said it so it must be right.
        Last edited by stotty; 05-11-2018, 05:45 AM.
        Stotty

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        • gzhpcu
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2005
          • 3211

          #2194
          Edberg did it. (forget the commentary, but look at this video, how he finishes his kick serve to the right...)
           
          Regards, Phil

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          • John Yandell
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2005
            • 6883

            #2195
            Yes, as I have said, the finish is a consequence of the contact point and racket path. Even Sampras finished most of his serves with the hand partially across the torso.

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            • klacr
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 2900

              #2196
              Originally posted by gzhpcu
              Edberg did it. (forget the commentary, but look at this video, how he finishes his kick serve to the right...)
              Poetry in motion.

              Kyle LaCroix USPTA
              Boca Raton

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              • John Yandell
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2005
                • 6883

                #2197
                What about that hitch in his backswing?

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                • stotty
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 6630

                  #2198
                  Originally posted by johnyandell
                  What about that hitch in his backswing?
                  Horrible serve. That major kink in the backswing around the hip virtually no other player could get away with...horrible to the coach's eye.
                  Stotty

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                  • John Yandell
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 6883

                    #2199
                    Stotty, Ordered the book!

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                    • klacr
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 2900

                      #2200
                      Edberg: The total package and how he uses that serve is greater than the sum of its parts. He is one of my players on Mt. Rushmore of tennis. He can do no wrong.

                      Kyle LaCroix USPTA
                      Boca Raton

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                      • John Yandell
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 6883

                        #2201
                        He did little wrong. Motion is still ugly!

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                        • gzhpcu
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 3211

                          #2202
                          Originally posted by johnyandell
                          Stotty, Ordered the book!
                          Where did you order it from, John?
                          Regards, Phil

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                          • John Yandell
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 6883

                            #2203
                            Amazon!

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                            • stotty
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 6630

                              #2204
                              The book is interesting because it is a written with the collaboration of leading tennis players of the day. It is full of myths like wrist snap on the serve, etc., as you would expect from a book published in 1972. But fundamentally it was how good tennis was taught back then, and how leading players interpreted their own technique. The photo sequences used were novel back in the day but remain revealing even today.
                              Stotty

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                              • gzhpcu
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2005
                                • 3211

                                #2205
                                Thanks John, Stotty, I ordered it.
                                Regards, Phil

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