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  • gzhpcu
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 3211

    #1

    Tony Trabert Twist Serve...

    I have an old book by Oscar Fraley, "How to Play Championship Tennis", 1954, and thought you might like to see this:



    Regards, Phil
  • bottle
    Guest
    • Mar 2005
    • 6472

    #2
    Boy, he sure did keep his elbow down for a long time, didn't he? I only know there's a certain romance in that, and I fell victim to it for a long time. Getting
    the straight arm up high soon, with the elbow in it, has simplified life for me at least a bit.

    But I'm a player, like you, who has trouble getting racket tip pointed low enough toward the court-- and there are zillions of us. Whether my suggestion
    is a cure for those zillions or even for myself, I don't know, but it led to clear improvement and could lead to more.

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    • gzhpcu
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2005
      • 3211

      #3
      Here is Gardnar Mulloy's slice serve from the same book..




      He gets his elbow up higher up.... but Tony had the better serve...
      Regards, Phil

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      • bottle
        Guest
        • Mar 2005
        • 6472

        #4
        But who had more longevity in the top ranks of tennis? The one guy just became a TV broadcaster, was supplanted by John McEnroe, and then made a broadcasting comeback with less pomposity than during his first stint.

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        • stotty
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 6630

          #5
          Neither set of pics how the details at the critical points. You can't really see how linear things are where it matters....at least not with Trabert. I think both set of pics could be misleading
          Stotty

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          • gzhpcu
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2005
            • 3211

            #6
            Originally posted by licensedcoach
            Neither set of pics how the details at the critical points. You can't really see how linear things are where it matters....at least not with Trabert. I think both set of pics could be misleading
            Could you please explain what is missing?

            Looks pretty good to me...

            P.S. I also have the photo sequence from the front optic...
            Regards, Phil

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            • stotty
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 6630

              #7
              With Trabert, you can't see the elbow and shoulders line up together at the critical point.
              Stotty

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              • stotty
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 6630

                #8
                With Trabert, you can't see the elbow and shoulders line up together at the critical point.

                Also, the pics of Mulloy's serve are very tame. I've seen him serve as an older man and it's a lot more dynamic than those pics.
                Stotty

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                • gzhpcu
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 3211

                  #9
                  This better?

                  Regards, Phil

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                  • stotty
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 6630

                    #10
                    Yes, pic number 3 is revealing. Thks, Phil. Looks like a good serve...

                    Still think Mulloy is stroking a basic serve in for the camera
                    Stotty

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                    • bottle
                      Guest
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 6472

                      #11
                      From a Friend

                      I am perusing my dusty copy of Tony Trabert's 1984 "The Serve, Key to Winning Tennis," which contains turgid, even arcane, sentences, which have always, until today, caused me to start dozing. It was like beginning to comprehend Zen, then giving up on it. Here is a somewhat lucid sentence, on page 67, that grabbed me, as would a giant squid, somewhere deep in the Indian Ocean, if one happened to be diving out there, off an obscure island, while on a much-needed vacation: "Fourth, he should realize that his eyes should be fastened on the ball beginning no later than the time it leaves his fingers and continuing until racket contact takes place." He added, "Failure to do so can cause many unnecessary service errors."

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                      • tennis_chiro
                        Guest
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 1303

                        #12
                        Question for Bottle

                        Originally posted by bottle
                        I am perusing my dusty copy of Tony Trabert's 1984 "The Serve, Key to Winning Tennis," which contains turgid, even arcane, sentences, which have always, until today, caused me to start dozing. It was like beginning to comprehend Zen, then giving up on it. Here is a somewhat lucid sentence, on page 67, that grabbed me, as would a giant squid, somewhere deep in the Indian Ocean, if one happened to be diving out there, off an obscure island, while on a much-needed vacation: "Fourth, he should realize that his eyes should be fastened on the ball beginning no later than the time it leaves his fingers and continuing until racket contact takes place." He added, "Failure to do so can cause many unnecessary service errors."
                        Simple advice, but oh so true!

                        Did Tony have in another chapter on returning that it is absolutely vital that the receiver pick up the ball and focus on it as it leaves the server's hand in the toss? That's one of the reason's Tanner's early contact was so effective: most people don't really focus on the ball until it stops, reverses direction and starts to come down. That's too late!

                        don

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                        • jryle1
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 112

                          #13
                          The racquet drop and flexibility of those guys is frightening!

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                          • 10splayer
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 639

                            #14
                            Originally posted by licensedcoach
                            Yes, pic number 3 is revealing. Thks, Phil. Looks like a good serve...

                            Still think Mulloy is stroking a basic serve in for the camera
                            Yes, right on. The elbow is in perfect position in Traberts trophy position. It's just that he has alot more tilt in his shoulders than Mulloy at this stage. So it appears low.
                            Last edited by 10splayer; 02-15-2011, 02:51 PM.

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                            • bottle
                              Guest
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 6472

                              #15
                              And Then Don't Focus on the Ball Going Away from You in Doubles!

                              But rather focus on the receiver's racket work. Just thought I'd throw that in before confessing to various crimes. The writer of # 11 is our grass court owner from New Jersey, the one and only Ochi, who used to contribute so much to these pages. When I entitled that post "From a Friend" I wasn't kidding, and I suppose I should have enclosed everything in quotation marks. But such marks were already spread through Ochi's comment, and I would have had to change them all into apostrophes! But now Don has posed me a question on the material, and since I haven't had time yet to purchase Trabert's book through a good used book dealer, I can pursue my deception no longer and must relay Don's specific question to Ochi. Even the part about the giant squid was pure Ochi, not pure Bottle, although it was a pretty good imitation! Listen. I've taught English. And the big thing we American Lit majors do is crack down on plagiarism, no excuses accepted or excepted, can't remember which.

                              As for the idea of watching a doubles opponent's racket rather than the ball
                              departing from yourself after you hit it, that came from Pat Blaskower's
                              THE ART OF DOUBLES, a book I just got although Ochi suggested that everybody at TennisPlayer purchase it about two years ago.

                              I steal and want to steal more-- I confess, I confess, I confess!

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