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  • worldsbestcoach
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    • Oct 2010
    • 85

    #1

    yuck - federer's slice backhand and topspin forehand are not to be emulated

    Does Roger Federer's slice backhand compare to Ken Rosewall's? Of course not. On his slice, Roger has a weak backhand grip. He prepares the racket too far back. He takes too big of a backswing, catches the ball late, chops down too much, and drops the racket head. In general, the angle between his forearm and his racket never has a strong "L", as it should. There is no strength is his slice, as compared to Rosewall's. His slices usually sit up for his opponent to hammer. Rosewall's body was different than anyone else's . . .so why don't people try to develop slices that are as great as Rosewall's? By the way, my friend Luke, with the USPTA, hits hard slices as Rosewall did, and can teach it. Luke could help Roger. I taught Luke. Of course, Roger could use my help, also.

    About Roger's topspin forehand: I love the crosscourt passing angles that Roger sometimes hits. He sometimes has nice sidespin on those passers. But in general, have you noticed how often Roger shanks the ball or otherwise mishits his forehands? Often, Roger's forehands do not land close to where he was aiming. Roger's forehand is similar to the way many coaches teach. Shoulders sideways. Racket back a lot, and pointing up, controlled by only one hand . . . with the left arm pointing sideways for "balance." . . hahaha . . .then Roger emphasizes "racket head speed" and jerks the racket over his shoulder so fast. Roger cannot place his strings on the ball exactly where he wants, or with the exact motion he wants, because: (a) he has a backward-emphasis swing; (b) he does not have a smooth, forward-flowing 1-piece swing but rather a jerky 2-piece swing that he sometimes has trouble getting started forward; (c) he cannot control the racket well because he does not track the ball well with his racket strings, and his single-hand emphasis makes for an unstable swing. Also, he forces himself to get too sideways too often, so that his body gets in the way of the racket attacking the ball out front. Yes, often Roger catches the ball too late and too far to the side of his body rather than getting behind the ball and pouncing forward on it.
  • worldsbestcoach
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    • Oct 2010
    • 85

    #2
    Rosewall

    I meant to say . .Rosewall's body is not built differently than other people's bodies, including Federer's . . .so of course, players today could learn to hit slices just as well as Rosewall did . . .if the players (& coaches who teach them) would wake up. Federer's slice backhand is a joke compared to Rosewall's. Fed's slice is even far worse than Steffi Graf's was.

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    • bowt
      • Feb 2010
      • 124

      #3
      how many majors has this guy won? in the most competitive era ever

      yeh pretty average slice and forehand

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      • stroke
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 5156

        #4
        this thread by worldsbestcoach needs to be over at the TennisWarehouse Message boards with other great thinkers

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        • stotty
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 6634

          #5
          Wow! That's the harshest criticism of Federer I have ever seen on TP. It's hard to understand how someone could be so vehement about Fed

          I agree Rosewall's slice backhand was better than Fed's. But I still feel Federer's slice B/H is around the best on the tour these days. It's better live than it looks on TV. He knifes it beautifully and on grass it has contributed greatly to his success.

          As to Fed's forehand, on balance I think it the best F/H I have ever seen...even better than Sampras's, Agassi's, Borg's, and in some ways even better than Nadal's.
          Stotty

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          • llll
            • Mar 2005
            • 330

            #6

            what do you think???

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            • llll
              • Mar 2005
              • 330

              #7
              you will like this one more

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              • tennis_chiro
                Guest
                • Jan 2006
                • 1303

                #8
                Right on the money

                Originally posted by llll
                right on the money. this is a great analysis of the comparison of today's slice with Rosewall's drive. We should remember, he handled Laver's topspin better than anyone else in that day. I would sure like to have seen him try to do it today, although the key to his game was finishing at the net and he would have gotten passed a lot today...but I would sure like to have seen him try
                don

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                • jryle1
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 112

                  #9
                  The Roger Federer forehand is one of the greatest tennis shots of all time and probably the greatest forehand of all time at its best. This thread in my opinion is a lame attack on Roger for whatever reason.

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                  • gzhpcu
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 3211

                    #10
                    I guess it takes the world's best coach to criticize the world's best player...
                    Regards, Phil

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                    • vrc10s
                      Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 85

                      #11
                      Roswall's BH

                      I am old enough to remember Rosewall's back hand and try to teach a similar slice to many of my students. I even have a photo sequence of Ken that I sometimes pass out to my students. The thing you have to remember is that Ken used his slice for all his backhands and Roger uses it as a change of pace and for defense. The question remaiins, would you rather have Ken's slice BH or Roger's combination of his topspin and slice.

                      I would vote for the Roger combination, especially in the modern game!

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                      • tennis_chiro
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                        • Jan 2006
                        • 1303

                        #12
                        Different combo

                        Originally posted by vrc10s
                        I am old enough to remember Rosewall's back hand and try to teach a similar slice to many of my students. I even have a photo sequence of Ken that I sometimes pass out to my students. The thing you have to remember is that Ken used his slice for all his backhands and Roger uses it as a change of pace and for defense. The question remaiins, would you rather have Ken's slice BH or Roger's combination of his topspin and slice.

                        I would vote for the Roger combination, especially in the modern game!
                        Yes, but just think if you had Roger's topspin backhand AND Rosewall's slice drive, not to mention his feel on the volley! That's the player I want to build.
                        don

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                        • vrc10s
                          Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 85

                          #13
                          Originally posted by tennis_chiro
                          Yes, but just think if you had Roger's topspin backhand AND Rosewall's slice drive, not to mention his feel on the volley! That's the player I want to build.
                          don
                          Two handed top and Rosewall's slice and volley is my goal for most students.

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                          • stotty
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 6634

                            #14
                            I thought Rosewall's backhand volley was better than his backhand groundstroke. I'd put it only about a centimetre behind Edberg's backhand volley in terms of quality.
                            Stotty

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                            • tennis_chiro
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                              • Jan 2006
                              • 1303

                              #15
                              Nobody close

                              Originally posted by licensedcoach
                              I thought Rosewall's backhand volley was better than his backhand groundstroke. I'd put it only about a centimetre behind Edberg's backhand volley in terms of quality.
                              Can't think of anybody today or recently who even comes close to either of them on the backhand volley.

                              don

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