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  • don_budge
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    John McEnroe vs. Bjorn Borg..."Magic"

    Originally posted by licensedcoach
    I believe Borg 100% when he said he didn't quit because of his defeats to McEnroe. He says he's not that kind of person and he absolutely isn't.
    I understand the point of view of many Americans I spoken to over Borg.

    It was a nice video. I enjoyed watching it. I really like to watch those two play more than any other rivalry. There is something so magical about it.
    When a real Swede like Bjorn Borg says something like..."I am not that kind of person"...you can bet your bottom dollar that he means it. McEnroe no more chased Bjorn from the game than any other player chased him out. It may very well have been the racquet issue that had more to do with it than any one will ever admit...American or European. I maintain his "insane" comeback attempt with the traditional wood frames as John McEnroe so eloquently put it in the video was a statement about his defiance of the tennis establishment. God bless his Norse soul.

    You are so right...there was something so magical about the rivalry.

    I wrote this in another post...about their magic. John McEnroe alludes to some magic as well when he describes the wood racquets that they were playing with as "magic wands."


    Originally posted by bottle
    Nice quote on wooden rackets and baseball bats. Much more intelligent than any ritual (and very tired) John McEnroe bashing.
    From the thread entitled..."John McEnroe versus Bjorn Borg...1980 U. S. Open Finals

    Originally posted by don_budge
    Every point in this epic was a masterpiece. That is not to say there weren't mistakes and mishits. But taken as a whole the match must nearly be described point by point. I had to watch the match several times to come up with the words to describe the action. The points were like single brushstrokes that make up a great masterpiece. It reminded me of the moment only a couple of months ago when I stood at the very top of the Eiffel Tower in Paris looking down at that classic and old traditional city in Europe. Each building from that height looked like a single brush stroke and put them all together you had the wonderful visual whole that makes up the city of Paris. Like a beautiful painting every single brush stroke adds up to make up the whole.

    The individual buildings on the ground were masterpieces of architecture as well. You walk along the streets admiring the craftsmanship and beauty from the ground level in the micro view as opposed to the macro view from the top of the Eiffel tower.

    The same as this match. Such an intricate tapestry of tennis and all of its nuances. The variety of strokes...the variety of tactics. The infinite number of possibilities...permutations and combinations. Then there is the complexity of the players and their emotions and their tactical acumen and their individual interpretation of THE GAME. THE GAME OF TENNIS as it was meant to be played.

    In tennis, in art and in life there is a balance. Even the universe is somehow balanced although theoretically. Equal parts positive and negative. Perhaps the human race has an equal balance as well...the summation of all of our actions and intents equal parts good and evil. But one thing is very clear to me and there is absolutely no way around it because in this very case for once and for all I am right...the game of tennis has been compromised by the actions of the very human hands that invented it. That precious balance that the game had and endured for so many years was compromised by an overabundance of speed in the game. It's simple. What was lost was tennis that was played like on this September afternoon between the last of the great rivalries in tennis...John McEnroe and Bjorn Borg.
    Originally posted by don_budge
    From the thread entitled..."John McEnroe versus Bjorn Borg...1980 U. S. Open Finals

    ART...has left the stadium. Only the Great John McEnroe would have the balls to suggest something so outlandish as to do the right thing. The right thing to do by THE GAME.

    From John McEnroe's most excellent autobiography..."Serious"...his top ten recommendations for improving tennis in the 21st Century:

    "A return to wooden racquets would be a huge improvement for professional tennis. The biggest change in the game in the last twenty five years...the replacement of wood by graphite...has been a bad one. I happen to think that wooden racquets are beautiful aesthetically and purer for the game.

    Look at baseball. Kids start with aluminum bats in little league, then move on to Kevlar or whatever in college and then...and only then...if they make it to the majors do they get to use those beautiful wooden bats that require greater expertise for success.

    Why not do the same thing in tennis? I think that it looks great to have a little wand in your hand, instead of some ultra thick club big enough to kill somebody with. Wood...to me...has glamour. You need strategy and technique. Tennis, these days, is sadly lacking in all these things.

    It's all (as David Bowie says) wham, bam, thank you ma'am." ...the great John McEnroe.

    Seconded by the not so great...don_budge.
    Read it and weep...the death of Classic Tennis.
    Last edited by don_budge; 09-19-2014, 10:56 PM.

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  • stotty
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    Borg

    Originally posted by GeoffWilliams
    and Borg did not have the mental toughness to deal with losing to it.
    This is the typical reaction of many Americans over Borg's departure from the game: It was McEnroe that drove him out. McEnroe certainly believes it himself in the video, as does his brother. I think it likely McEnroe and his family still think it to this day.

    Europeans have an easier time reconciling Borg's departure from the game. If you don't want to do something anymore, you stop...simple really.

    I believe Borg 100% when he said he didn't quit because of his defeats to McEnroe. He says he's not that kind of person and he absolutely isn't. The two things don't marry up..."being as good as he was and walking away because you lost."...it doesn't stack up. You don't get to where Borg did without having to deal with an awful lot of set backs along the way, "dealing" with things is pretty much what it's all about.

    My hunch is that he was/is stubborn and absolute. He decided one day never to lose his temper on court...he decided he wanted to be a great tennis player...he decided to walk away. There are no half measures with a man like that, he just does it.

    I understand the point of view of many Americans I spoken to over Borg. I just think they are wrong.

    It was a nice video. I enjoyed watching it. I really like to watch those two play more than any other rivalry. There is something so magical about it.
    Last edited by stotty; 09-19-2014, 12:21 PM.

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  • GeoffWilliams
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    Mac was perhaps the biggest Ahole the game has ever seen, and Borg did not have the mental toughness to deal with losing to it. The game has legislated out that type of explosive temper, to the fans' detriment, to the manufacturers advantage.

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  • don_budge
    started a topic McEnroe/Borg Fire & Ice...

    McEnroe/Borg Fire & Ice...

    Watch it and weep. The death of Classic Tennis. John McEnroe and Bjorn Borg. The game was evolving and then there was the intervention and it was dead. The day that tennis died.



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