1994: Rafter vs Lendl

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  • klacr
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    Originally posted by licensedcoach
    I remember a conversation we had some years ago about Rafter and the way he volleyed. A few of us felt though he was a good volleyer, his style of volleying had departed from the way great volleyers used to volley. Primarily because he is a volleyer who mostly hits a tad around the outside of the ball. Many volleyers before Rafter's time would frequently hit from inside to out as well as outside to in. This is a useful option on the backhand volley. It's quite significant how the classic volleyers were so much more at home when hitting volleys out of their body, and how good they were at low volleys with this inside to out option. From a central court position a classic volleyer could hold his decision very late using the inside to out method...either go behind the player or into the corner.
    I would be in that group.
    Great style but he definitely did not do it "textbook" Whatever textbook really is. He got away with some stuff that you would have a hard time teaching.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton

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  • don_budge
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    Patrick Rafter vs. Pete Sampras

    Originally posted by gzhpcu
    Well, I like Rafter and his athleticism.

    Here his win against Sampras in Cincinnati 1998 (prior to winning the US Open):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBhPxAKrMaQ
    I just finished watching this match. I wanted to see if I was missing out on something about Patrick Rafter…but I have come away from this match thinking much the same as I always had. He's had some great results…here he is winning his second tournament in a row leading up to the 1998 U. S. Open. He's on a role.

    Sampras beats him quite easily 6-1 in the first set then plays it rather lackadaisical in the second and he loses the tie-break. Sampras loses the third set and on match point Rafter's serve is called out but the chair umpire overrules and the match is over. Pete is hot…I have never seen him so upset. He never seemed to be happy with the officiating the whole match. This was pre-Hawkeye days.

    As for Patrick Rafter…he is athletic for sure but it certainly appears to me the racquet is enhancing the appearance of his athleticism. The extra size in the head of his racquet is also doing a pretty good number in enhancing his volleys as his technique doesn't appear to be all that nifty. He doesn't seem to hit the ball all that cleanly in general. Rafter is playing with a racquet that is at least 97 square inches compared to Sampras' 85 square inches. Unfortunately the size disparity casts some suspicion on the results.

    Here are some comments that Pete made about Roger Federer's switch of racquets…before he finally switched.



    I think that Roger has given us a superb demonstration just how much size does matter the last couple of years. The racquet switch enabled him to reach the very top of the game once more whereas he was really beginning to struggle to maintain his position.

    I can see why you like Rafter. Cliff Drysdale and Patrick McEnroe (the lesser entity) comment ad nauseum on how likeable and how good looking Rafter is. Luke Jensen pipes in that Rafter became even more likeable now that he is about ten million dollars richer…he said in effect that it was a factor of cash flow. That was pretty funny. Apparently Luke felt that being at the number three in the world had a lot to do with his popularity as opposed to his popularity when his ranking was 60 something. In this match Rafter's hairdo has evolved into a mini-ponytail where it was going to be the samurai style in the not so distant future.

    The Aussies seem to be generally likeable in sports. The tennis world was hungry for another Aussie to lead the game. Rafter was the first player since Rod Laver to win a certain number of tournaments to this point in 1998. Laver had just suffered a stroke when this match was being played and Rafter was cited at having spoken some kind words about "The Rocket" at the tournament the week before…which he won also.

    It was a couple of great videos to evaluate the game of Rafter but he was taking on Lendl and Sampras on the downward slope of their careers. Rafter did have some great results and it was virtually on account of his serve and volley game. By all accounts he was a very likeable guy as well…especially since bottle says so too.
    Last edited by don_budge; 09-26-2015, 08:47 AM. Reason: for clarity's sake...

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  • stotty
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    I remember a conversation we had some years ago about Rafter and the way he volleyed. A few of us felt though he was a good volleyer, his style of volleying had departed from the way great volleyers used to volley. Primarily because he is a volleyer who mostly hits a tad around the outside of the ball. Many volleyers before Rafter's time would frequently hit from inside to out as well as outside to in. This is a useful option on the backhand volley. It's quite significant how the classic volleyers were so much more at home when hitting volleys out of their body, and how good they were at low volleys with this inside to out option. From a central court position a classic volleyer could hold his decision very late using the inside to out method...either go behind the player or into the corner.
    Last edited by stotty; 09-26-2015, 07:12 AM.

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  • bottle
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    My sometime doubles partner Patrick O'Donnell met him one time in Bermuda and was blown away by how nice and interested he was.
    Last edited by bottle; 09-28-2015, 10:16 AM. Reason: Got Patrick's last name wrong.

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  • gzhpcu
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    Well, I like Rafter and his athleticism.

    Here his win against Sampras in Cincinnati 1998 (prior to winning the US Open):

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  • don_budge
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    Prince Patrick Rafter vs. Ivan "The Stud" Lendl…and hockey sticks

    Originally posted by gzhpcu
    Rafter has always been one of my favorite players. Here is a 21 year old Rafter playing Lendl in Hong Kong:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62NaPkp6928
    Nothing personal but I have never had any feelings about Patrick Rafter. He had some great results, there is no doubt about that. But he is the prototype of player that I resented all through the years. He is unfairly capitalizing on the equipment…only historically speaking. Not as an individual…he is not to blame for anything. I could imagine this type of player though of the typical Aussie mode with some type of wooden racquet looking very elegant and very classic.

    Here is Patrick Rafter in 1994 at 21 playing against one of the truly legendary players of the game…Ivan Lendl. Lendl is 34 here…ironically the same age as the resurgent Roger Federer. Look how the years have changed Ivan from the video that I posted of him and Wilander in Borg speed thread. This further illustrates the remarkable makeover that our favorite Swiss soldier has made of himself. Lendl is a mere shadow of his former self. Lendl is fighting the impossible fight against Father Time. Rafter with his huge racquet is taking advantage of both…his racquet and the age differential.

    It appears too that Lendl has reverted to a larger Mizuno racquet. Trying to buy some time. An extra year or two. It was a change that he resisted longer than nearly every one of his contemporaries…along with his countryman Miloslav Mecir.

    Most of my uninterested in Rafter is that I discount him on account of the racquet that he used…the Prince. I cannot think of one single player that used the Prince racquet that I admired. I tend to hate them because of my background in classic tennis.

    I came across this video interestingly enough about equipment. Ironically it is in the sport of hockey of which our dear departed hockeyscout was a great advocate of. Take a look at this video and the comments that the young players make regarding using the "old" wooden stick. Interesting and ironic. My favorite combination of flavors.

    Last edited by don_budge; 09-24-2015, 11:42 PM. Reason: for clarity's sake...

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  • klacr
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    Rafter like a young and wild Mustang. Needs to be broken in a bit and tamed. You could see his flash and his desire. But you knew and he knew that he was a few years away from his peak and he would have to put in the work to do it, which he was willing to do. Lendl towards the end of his great career. Still had the wizardry and robotic power to hit a few zinger passing shots. Good find.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton

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  • gzhpcu
    started a topic 1994: Rafter vs Lendl

    1994: Rafter vs Lendl

    Rafter has always been one of my favorite players. Here is a 21 year old Rafter playing Lendl in Hong Kong:

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