Interactive Forum June 2016 Sam Groth Serve

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  • jeremy93
    Member
    • May 2016
    • 98

    #16
    John do we have any ideas to why some players don't get the full pronation on the serve? is it because they do something else wrong that causes this? I thought if you have the right swing path you will naturally have full internal rotation.

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    • John Yandell
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2005
      • 6883

      #17
      Kyle,

      HA!

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      • John Yandell
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2005
        • 6883

        #18
        Jeremy,

        It's an interesting question. It's like the followthrough on the groundstrokes. The followthrough insures that the racket is traveling at the right speed and in the right direction at contact.

        On the serve you want that rotation maximized as you move into contact. But by focusing on finishing the rotation--what I call the extension position on the serve, you increase the chance that the rotation will be faster at the key moments.

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        • jeremy93
          Member
          • May 2016
          • 98

          #19
          thank you John

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          • maxply
            Guest
            • Mar 2016
            • 30

            #20
            J93, good question.
            JY, well put.
            Thanks.

            Klcr, haha, too late for Ivan...it's funny, i have some stills of Lendl from 1981 or 1982, showing pretty full internal shoulder rotation on the overhead and the serve! For a guy who did not use a great deal of lower body power, he had a large serve in his day.

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            • klacr
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 2900

              #21
              Originally posted by maxply
              J93, good question.
              JY, well put.
              Thanks.

              Klcr, haha, too late for Ivan...it's funny, i have some stills of Lendl from 1981 or 1982, showing pretty full internal shoulder rotation on the overhead and the serve! For a guy who did not use a great deal of lower body power, he had a large serve in his day.
              Ivan can still blast the ball. He often hits down here in the Boca/Delray area, especially when he was gearing up for the champions tour against McEnroe a few years back. One of my friends and former colleagues was his practice partner. My friend said it was terrifying coming to the net against him as he would absolutely bludgeon the ball right through you. The power of shot was extraordinary, and it still is today.

              Kyle LaCroix USPTA
              Boca Raton

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              • stotty
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 6630

                #22
                Originally posted by klacr
                Ivan can still blast the ball. He often hits down here in the Boca/Delray area, especially when he was gearing up for the champions tour against McEnroe a few years back. One of my friends and former colleagues was his practice partner. My friend said it was terrifying coming to the net against him as he would absolutely bludgeon the ball right through you. The power of shot was extraordinary, and it still is today.

                Kyle LaCroix USPTA
                Boca Raton
                I have never seen a ball struck as hard as when Lendl unleashed his biggest forehands...even with those small rackets. He was utterly ruthless and would think nothing of tubing an opponent if it proved the best shot to play in the given moment. Damn near killed McEnroe once....
                Stotty

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                • stroke
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 5156

                  #23
                  Originally posted by licensedcoach
                  I have never seen a ball struck as hard as when Lendl unleashed his biggest forehands...even with those small rackets. He was utterly ruthless and would think nothing of tubing an opponent if it proved the best shot to play in the given moment. Damn near killed McEnroe once....
                  I think Lendl said, when asked about that, said something like no one makes him come to the net. I always liked Lendl as a player, and I like him as a coach.

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                  • klacr
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 2900

                    #24
                    Originally posted by licensedcoach
                    I have never seen a ball struck as hard as when Lendl unleashed his biggest forehands...even with those small rackets. He was utterly ruthless and would think nothing of tubing an opponent if it proved the best shot to play in the given moment. Damn near killed McEnroe once....
                    Originally posted by stroke
                    I think Lendl said, when asked about that, said something like no one makes him come to the net. I always liked Lendl as a player, and I like him as a coach.
                    kinda like this...
                    Hitting Emilio


                    Hitting Vitas


                    and of course...Hitting McEnroe


                    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
                    Boca Raton

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                    • John Yandell
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 6883

                      #25
                      Those were the good old days.

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                      • stroke
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 5156

                        #26
                        I remember an episode after that famous "knockdown" of McEnroe where they were in point that ended up with the same kind of "opportunity" for Lendl. As Lendl set up on the forehand and initiated his swing, McEnroe just dove on the court. Lendl then just softly hit the ball over McEnroe into the court.

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