2019 Roland Garros...ATP 2000...Paris, France

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  • stroke
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 5156

    #91
    Yes, the forecast looks so bad they probably should just cancel all play on Friday instead of trying to play through multiple delays. But they will probably make the wrong decision.

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    • stotty
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 6634

      #92
      Amazing Rafa and Roger can play this well in the conditions.

      It's such hard work playing Rafa. Even for Roger it's a brutal physical experience. The conditions aren't helping his drop shots either. He just needs to serve really well and then chisel away at Rafa's serve until he can get a break. It's going to be an uphill struggle though. I get physically tired just watching it. Vital he wins this second set.

      3-2 Roger
      Stotty

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      • stroke
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 5156

        #93
        Roger is really playing well and has nothing to show for it. Toughest ask in sports, beating Nadal on clay at French Open.

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        • stotty
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 6634

          #94
          Originally posted by stroke
          Roger is really playing well and has nothing to show for it. Toughest ask in sports, beating Nadal on clay at French Open.
          One way traffic now. Roger is being battered...no hope whatsoever now.
          Stotty

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          • stroke
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2006
            • 5156

            #95
            Originally posted by stotty

            One way traffic now. Roger is being battered...no hope whatsoever now.
            Down 2 sets to Nadal at FO, it is hammer time. Even someone as mentally tough as Roger(along with Nadal, the highest level of mental toughness to me) cannot really withstand that.

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            • stroke
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2006
              • 5156

              #96
              I feel like Thiem is ready to compete with Nadal and Novak here. We will see. I hope he at least really extends Novak here.

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              • stotty
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 6634

                #97
                Originally posted by stroke
                I feel like Thiem is ready to compete with Nadal and Novak here. We will see. I hope he at least really extends Novak here.
                Yes it will an interesting game. The wind is getting even worse believe it or not. We know Novak hates the wind but what about Thiem with his big swings? We'll see. It is what it is and the players just have to get on with it.
                Stotty

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                • stroke
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 5156

                  #98
                  Nadal and Roger got on with it. Nadal forehand no issues whatsoever. I could see Novak letting it get to him.

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                  • stotty
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 6634

                    #99
                    Originally posted by stroke
                    Nadal and Roger got on with it. Nadal forehand no issues whatsoever. I could see Novak letting it get to him.
                    Much windier now, stroke. Courier says the conditions are bordering on unplayable. Try telling that to Thiem! Novak just needs to deal with it. Thiem needs to capitalise on Novak's mood while it lasts. He's being gifted the first set.
                    Stotty

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                    • stotty
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 6634

                      #100
                      These tournament organisers drive me round the bend. They knew 50mph winds were coming soon to be followed by rain yet they did nothing to avert matters. I've lost count of the amount of time matches have been ruined by poor scheduling. Wimbledon have religiously stuck to a 1pm start time despite rain being forecast for the day from 2pm.

                      Both men's semis should have been played earlier and at the same time. What's the point of scheduling one match behind the other when you know already the second match will never conclude. Had Roger and Rafa gone to four sets, Novak and Dominic would never have even even started. It's bonkers. I've seen a handful of Wimbledon finals ruined because one of the finalists had been too knackered to play. What makes it worse is that these things are often avoidable.

                      I thought Roger was pretty competitive today. Rafa just had the edge and came up with some corkers in the clutch. How many players can win five points in row when Roger is serving at 4-4 and 40-0 up? Precious few I'd wager. Rafa just took off after that and went to a completely different level.

                      Not a great day for an artist like Roger to be playing. The wind took away Roger's touch play, which was a vital tool.

                      I was impressed with the way Rafa read Roger's moves today. He picked where Roger's forehand was going most of time and read his drop shots like a book. He seemed to uncannily know when Roger was going to serve volley too. The man is amazing on clay. He really is.
                      Stotty

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                      • bman
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 171

                        #101
                        Roger actually played great today in the first two sets, which makes it such a pity it was played in a hurricane. The wind took away the ability to get any aces, which is the strongest part of his game. If you are trying to hold serve against Nadal on clay by essentially playing drop feed tennis in a dustbowl, good luck.
                        Last edited by bman; 06-07-2019, 04:17 PM.

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                        • don_budge
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 6996

                          #102
                          The Wind is my Friend...

                          Originally posted by bman
                          Roger actually played great today in the first two sets, which makes it such a pity it was played in a hurricane. The wind took away the ability to get any aces, which is the strongest part of his game. If you are trying to hold serve against Nadal on clay by essentially playing drop feed tennis in a dustbowl, good luck.
                          He was brilliant. He certainly had chances that were somewhat blown away by the conditions. Mostly that Senor Nadal came up with the goods at the right moment. There were several key moments in each set that threw the balance in Nadal's favour.

                          I noticed one very odd thing about the camera work in this match. I was watching Eurosport and they didn't once keep the camera on Nadal through the entirety of his service preshot routine. I never was able to get a count on the number of bounces that was doing. I found that very, very strange. While he was performing his obnoxious ritual the camera would pan just about anywhere...the crowd, Federer waiting. Waiting. Waiting.

                          As you mentioned earlier the key to Federer's existence on the tour is his ability to serve his opponents off the court. Quickly holding his serve in under a minute at times...much of the time. But today Nadal forced him into a number of long service games which eroded into the Swiss Maestro's ability to enforce his game plan. I think that one of the keys to said plan was going to the net and going to the net in such windy conditions was sort of suicide.

                          I didn't know that Thiem and Djokovic were playing today. Once Federer is gone the tournament is essentially over for me. Unless Stefanos Tsitsipas were still in it. Roland Garros is dreadfully dull without Federer. There isn't enough coffee in Columbia...



                          don_budge
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                          • stroke
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 5156

                            #103
                            Novak is back in the right frame of mind today and it is superb tennis as they resume play in 3rd set. Massive hitting by Thiem and Novak playing is his so solid game. Thiem definitely has a bigger forehand, but as good as his one hander is, certainly one of the very best, Novak is just more solid on that side. I like Thiem's serve better, but Novak's return, the best out there, gives him an edge that Thiem simply does not have. Their movement is about equal, about as good as it gets on clay.

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                            • stroke
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 5156

                              #104
                              Novak loses the 3rd 7-5 with some looks to me like very questionable forays into the net, evidently not trusting his groundstrokes to go toe to toe with Thiem. Very strange it seems.

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                              • stotty
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 6634

                                #105
                                I am missing the game and having to just watch the scoreline on my iPhone. I am running an open day at my club and can't get to a TV. It's annoying because I have people telling me how high the standard is and how well Thiem is bashing the ball.

                                stroke, I am relying on you to tell me all about it.
                                Stotty

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