2021 Erste Bank Open...ATP 500...Vienna, Austria

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  • stroke
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    Originally posted by don_budge
    2021 Erste Bank Open...ATP 500...Vienna, Austria Men's Finals...Alexander Zverev vs. Francis Tiafoe




    Everybody expects Alexander Zverev to make his presence felt in a limited draw at this ATP 500 event, but it was Frances Tiafoe that emerged from the pack this week to keep it real. To keep it unpredictable. Zverev predictably advanced against a mediocre field in his half of the draw. The most impressive win was perhaps over Carlos Alvarez but to be frank...Alvarez never made it out of the gate. He was still stuck in his biggest moment of his young career with a huge win over a huge hitting Matteo Berrettini. It's understandable. Zverev, impressively, made "The Kid" pay for his lack of attention. A lack of being in the moment. Alvarez was not prepared to take it to the next level...yet.

    But it was the top half of the draw that proved to be the big story as Stefanos Tsitsipas followed up his elegant match with Grigor Dimitrov with a resounding thud against Frances Tiafoe. Tiafoe pimped him out in the third as it is Tsitsipas' lack of ability to dominate with his serve match in and match out that cost him. This means that when the rest of the game might be stuck in third or fourth gear you can depend upon the serve to bail you out. He isn't there yet. Not even close. Tiafoe went on to the next round focused on the prize and made short work of one of the real pit bull's on the tour...Diego Schwartzman. He with the Kricksteinesque backhand. But it was in the next round that Tiafoe made the big splash and landed the big one...Jannik Sinner. Watershed? That's as good a word as any. What the hell was that?

    I was on the computer watching this match in half screen. Half watching. I saw that point. Sinner seemed to be in total control of the match, although he seemed to wavering on his service game all of a sudden. What I saw was out of the corner of my eye and Tiafoe made a foray into the net, one of several, and Sinner hit a nearly impossible pass cross court followed by Tiafoe making an apparently somewhat violent gesture in the direction of Sinner. It was such a extreme gesture it didn't make any sense to me at first. I didn't see the ball land because I was in split screen and that part of the feed was covered by my reading material. So I switched it over to full screen quickly enough to see what happened. After Sinner made the pass and Tiafoe made the "madness" move at the net it appeared to surprise Sinner and it was all down hill from there. Realistically, it looked to me as if Sinner was losing just a bit of his edge before that. It looked to me as if his legs were giving way a bit after his long week the week before. Don't forget...this kid just turned twenty. He is racking up some serious miles in such a short time. The week before he was in Indian Wells.

    Tiafoe is one stout fellow. To look at him, he has the physique of an NFL half back. The shoulders and arms on this guy are as developed as any that I have ever seen on a tennis player. He struts around the court as if there is a pole rammed straight up his ass and through his back. As if it is hard for him to rotate at all. That being said...it appears that this is part of his on court presence. A behaviour. Something that he controls. When Sinner made that pass his gesture was so over the top that I wasn't sure what it was he did. I am still not sure. Was he feigning an attack at Sinner? A joke in some way? That's my guess. But it was surely over the top. Much as his movement around the court is "over the top". stroke called it "preening". That's a good word for it. Strutting. Like a rooster. His wild gesture in the direction of Sinner was followed by a string of gestures for the crowd to follow in on. At one point he was high fiving the front row after one of his great shots. He is bringing something of the NBA to the game. Or is it Big Time Wrestling? It is a black thing...that's what it looks like. Like trash talking. A little intimidating. Interesting...culture is. In short...he beat Sinner up. He got into his head and then he overwhelmed him with strength. Sinner lost his concentration and that is his big strength. Particularly if you are fatigued, once you lose your concentration, it slipped away. Sinner is going to grow up into his body. Physically he reminds me of Zverev several years ago. Maybe not so gangly.

    Zverev held his ground. This young man has really grown up in his ability to handle the big moment. He had some initial success a few years back that he found difficult to duplicate week in and week out. But he is a proven entity now and a threat in any given tournament. He doesn't have that fragility about him that often sent his racquets crashing as well as his results. In a word...maturity. At least in the tennis world and who knows...maybe in his private life as well. A fair share of surprises this week as well. This is the "New Normal" on the ATP Tour now. Week in and week out.
    Well said DB.

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  • don_budge
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    2021 Erste Bank Open...ATP 500...Vienna, Austria Men's Finals...Alexander Zverev vs. Francis Tiafoe


    Originally posted by glacierguy
    Incredible match between Sinner/Tiafoe. Unfortunately for Sinner, as soon as he joined in the fun, he lost. For me, the watershed was somewhere near the end of the second set when Tiafoe approached wide to Sinner backhand, then hit very good volley wide to Sinner forehand which looked for all the world like a winner and yet Sinner whipped it low crosscourt for screaming winner. Tiafoe feigned incredulity at the net and Sinner smiled back. It was downhill from there.
    Everybody expects Alexander Zverev to make his presence felt in a limited draw at this ATP 500 event, but it was Frances Tiafoe that emerged from the pack this week to keep it real. To keep it unpredictable. Zverev predictably advanced against a mediocre field in his half of the draw. The most impressive win was perhaps over Carlos Alvarez but to be frank...Alvarez never made it out of the gate. He was still stuck in his biggest moment of his young career with a huge win over a huge hitting Matteo Berrettini. It's understandable. Zverev, impressively, made "The Kid" pay for his lack of attention. A lack of being in the moment. Alvarez was not prepared to take it to the next level...yet.

    But it was the top half of the draw that proved to be the big story as Stefanos Tsitsipas followed up his elegant match with Grigor Dimitrov with a resounding thud against Frances Tiafoe. Tiafoe pimped him out in the third as it is Tsitsipas' lack of ability to dominate with his serve match in and match out that cost him. This means that when the rest of the game might be stuck in third or fourth gear you can depend upon the serve to bail you out. He isn't there yet. Not even close. Tiafoe went on to the next round focused on the prize and made short work of one of the real pit bull's on the tour...Diego Schwartzman. He with the Kricksteinesque backhand. But it was in the next round that Tiafoe made the big splash and landed the big one...Jannik Sinner. Watershed? That's as good a word as any. What the hell was that?

    I was on the computer watching this match in half screen. Half watching. I saw that point. Sinner seemed to be in total control of the match, although he seemed to wavering on his service game all of a sudden. What I saw was out of the corner of my eye and Tiafoe made a foray into the net, one of several, and Sinner hit a nearly impossible pass cross court followed by Tiafoe making an apparently somewhat violent gesture in the direction of Sinner. It was such a extreme gesture it didn't make any sense to me at first. I didn't see the ball land because I was in split screen and that part of the feed was covered by my reading material. So I switched it over to full screen quickly enough to see what happened. After Sinner made the pass and Tiafoe made the "madness" move at the net it appeared to surprise Sinner and it was all down hill from there. Realistically, it looked to me as if Sinner was losing just a bit of his edge before that. It looked to me as if his legs were giving way a bit after his long week the week before. Don't forget...this kid just turned twenty. He is racking up some serious miles in such a short time. The week before he was in Indian Wells.

    Tiafoe is one stout fellow. To look at him, he has the physique of an NFL half back. The shoulders and arms on this guy are as developed as any that I have ever seen on a tennis player. He struts around the court as if there is a pole rammed straight up his ass and through his back. As if it is hard for him to rotate at all. That being said...it appears that this is part of his on court presence. A behaviour. Something that he controls. When Sinner made that pass his gesture was so over the top that I wasn't sure what it was he did. I am still not sure. Was he feigning an attack at Sinner? A joke in some way? That's my guess. But it was surely over the top. Much as his movement around the court is "over the top". stroke called it "preening". That's a good word for it. Strutting. Like a rooster. His wild gesture in the direction of Sinner was followed by a string of gestures for the crowd to follow in on. At one point he was high fiving the front row after one of his great shots. He is bringing something of the NBA to the game. Or is it Big Time Wrestling? It is a black thing...that's what it looks like. Like trash talking. A little intimidating. Interesting...culture is. In short...he beat Sinner up. He got into his head and then he overwhelmed him with strength. Sinner lost his concentration and that is his big strength. Particularly if you are fatigued, once you lose your concentration, it slipped away. Sinner is going to grow up into his body. Physically he reminds me of Zverev several years ago. Maybe not so gangly.

    Zverev held his ground. This young man has really grown up in his ability to handle the big moment. He had some initial success a few years back that he found difficult to duplicate week in and week out. But he is a proven entity now and a threat in any given tournament. He doesn't have that fragility about him that often sent his racquets crashing as well as his results. In a word...maturity. At least in the tennis world and who knows...maybe in his private life as well. A fair share of surprises this week as well. This is the "New Normal" on the ATP Tour now. Week in and week out.

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  • stroke
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    Zverev with an implied probability of 85% of winning vs Tiafoe.

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  • stroke
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    Originally posted by glacierguy
    Incredible match between Sinner/Tiafoe. Unfortunately for Sinner, as soon as he joined in the fun, he lost. For me, the watershed was somewhere near the end of the second set when Tiafoe approached wide to Sinner backhand, then hit very good volley wide to Sinner forehand which looked for all the world like a winner and yet Sinner whipped it low crosscourt for screaming winner. Tiafoe feigned incredulity at the net and Sinner smiled back. It was downhill from there.
    You may be on to something there. Tiafoe sucked him in a bit to the theatrics, which certainly is not Sinner.

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  • glacierguy
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    Incredible match between Sinner/Tiafoe. Unfortunately for Sinner, as soon as he joined in the fun, he lost. For me, the watershed was somewhere near the end of the second set when Tiafoe approached wide to Sinner backhand, then hit very good volley wide to Sinner forehand which looked for all the world like a winner and yet Sinner whipped it low crosscourt for screaming winner. Tiafoe feigned incredulity at the net and Sinner smiled back. It was downhill from there.

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  • stroke
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    Originally posted by stotty

    Well, at just turned 20, Sinner isn't doing too bad. Stringing one good match after another is his next hurdle in life. I have the feeling he'll learn to do it. I love his temperament. It's his game I find a little bland.

    Alcaraz, though amazing, is sometimes 'all game and no brain'. He needs both to truly succeed on the epic scale of his fellow countryman.
    I like them both a lot. To me they along with Zverev are the future #1's.

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  • stotty
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    Originally posted by stroke
    Tiafoe wins in 3, really the 3rd set without much drama. It was definitely the tale of 2 matches, from when Sinner failed to serve out the match in the 2nd. Tiafoe had an unusually high number of net approaches, which definitely was an impactful in match tactics change for him. Tiafoe now will play heavy favorite Zverev tomorrow. I can't help but feel this outcome only enhances his title chances here.
    Well, at just turned 20, Sinner isn't doing too bad. Stringing one good match after another is his next hurdle in life. I have the feeling he'll learn to do it. I love his temperament. It's his game I find a little bland.

    Alcaraz, though amazing, is sometimes 'all game and no brain'. He needs both to truly succeed on the epic scale of his fellow countryman.

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  • stroke
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    Tiafoe wins in 3, really the 3rd set without much drama. It was definitely the tale of 2 matches, from when Sinner failed to serve out the match in the 2nd. Tiafoe had an unusually high number of net approaches, which definitely was an impactful in match tactics change for him. Tiafoe now will play heavy favorite Zverev tomorrow. I can't help but feel this outcome only enhances his title chances here.

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  • stroke
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    Sinner played pretty much perfect tennis until serving for the match at 5-3 2nd set. He made some errors that game, got broken, and lost the set from there. Now in the 3rd set, it is a dog fight now.

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  • stroke
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    The ice man Sinner just breaking down the preening Tiafoe.

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  • stroke
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    Well Zverev routined him. There is a reason why they are oddsmakers and I am not.

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  • stroke
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    His serve is good, his forehand is top shelf, effortless Fed like pop on it. His backhand and movement are also at the very top of the game. His mental side of the game is maybe the best out there after the big 3. It is almost as if he has taken a pieces of all the big 3's mental game.

    Alcaraz and Zverev should be something. The Alcaraz forehand right there with Sinner. Not quite the effortless power of Sinner, but certainly one of the very best in men's tennis. Zverev's second serve could once again be put under the microscope.

    Oddsmakers have Zverev as a very strong favorite to win vs Carlos, an implied probability of 80% of winning. Seems too strong to me but I am not an oddsmaker ha. Sinner is obviously favored over Tiafoe, with an implied probability of winning of 77.8%.
    Last edited by stroke; 10-30-2021, 03:37 AM.

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  • don_budge
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    The Jannik Sinner service motion is the story. He is learning more about it an a match to match basis. His tactics are just beginning to evolve. Splendid! Huge win for Alcarez in the bottom half at this stage of his career. Now if he can just get by Zverev and Sinner takes care of business up on top...we will see a glimpse of the future.

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  • stroke
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    Originally posted by stotty
    Sinner is doing a great job in soaking up Ruud and maintaining pressure here in the second set. He is serving so well too. The more I watch Sinner the more I think he could be the one that might break through and rise above the pack. He certainly knows how to play a solid match.
    Certainly agree with that. He to me is the only one I see as the chalk #1.

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  • stotty
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    Sinner is doing a great job in soaking up Ruud and maintaining pressure here in the second set. He is serving so well too. The more I watch Sinner the more I think he could be the one that might break through and rise above the pack. He certainly knows how to play a solid match.

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