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  • klacr
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 2900

    #2176
    Originally posted by johnyandell
    Anything is worth the experiment. I hate youtube as you know and can't go frame by frame to really see. But that type of starting position puts a premium on external shoulder rotation and requires great flexibility. I thought Kyle fixed your drop years ago!
    Always a work in progress .
    For Phil, his serve is really good relative to every other player his age. But Phil wants the serve of a 25 year old on the ATP Tour and will stop at nothing to get it. He is a lifelong learner and ponderer of all things tennis.

    Kyle LaCroix USPTA
    Boca Raton

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    • gzhpcu
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2005
      • 3211

      #2177
      Regards, Phil

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      • John Yandell
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2005
        • 6883

        #2178
        Sounds about right.

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        • gzhpcu
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2005
          • 3211

          #2179
          Have a question for you in the Tony Roche thread I just opened. Thanks
          Last edited by gzhpcu; 04-08-2018, 11:17 AM.
          Regards, Phil

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          • John Yandell
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2005
            • 6883

            #2180
            Responded!

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            • stotty
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 6630

              #2181
              John

              On a sliced serve, what would you expect the angle of the racket head position on contact? Would it be more around 12 o'clock...or still more towards 11 o'clock like other serves?

              Stotty

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              • John Yandell
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2005
                • 6883

                #2182
                Still more toward 11. It's a matter of small degree. Look at this if you haven't:

                https://www.tennisplayer.net/members..._and_spin.html

                Toss is ussualy the same--path of the racket varies slightly.

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                • stotty
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 6630

                  #2183
                  Thanks. I have a guy who is a good player but his racket head is at 12 o'clock because his toss is a tad too much to the right.. Despite this, his racket face still turns out towards the side fence really nicely. But I figured by getting him more towards 11 o'clock I may be able to get him to serve even better.
                  Stotty

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                  • John Yandell
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 6883

                    #2184
                    Agreed. He undoubtedly has ball speed but little topspin.

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                    • John Yandell
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 6883

                      #2185
                      Yeah probably has velocity but not much topspin.

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                      • stotty
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 6630

                        #2186
                        John,

                        If a server has a high elbow around the trophy position, is power affected? Or is power unaffected so long as a player can compensate by having a deep racket drop?

                        I have always assumed servers whose elbows are higher may not have as deep racket drops as players with more ideal, lower elbow positions? Is there a correlation between the elbow height at the trophy position and the subsequent depth of the racket drop?
                        Last edited by stotty; 04-22-2018, 02:00 PM.
                        Stotty

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                        • John Yandell
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 6883

                          #2187
                          Great question... to be honest not sure...but remember most of the acceleration is from drop to contact...that's the best answer I have.

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                          • gzhpcu
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 3211

                            #2188
                            Hi John, what do you think of finishing the serve swing on the same side?
                            Regards, Phil

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                            • John Yandell
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 6883

                              #2189
                              What would be the advantage of that?

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                              • gzhpcu
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2005
                                • 3211

                                #2190
                                More topspin. Gonzales, Thiem, Sampras all do it at times. Keeps you from opening up too soon.
                                Last edited by gzhpcu; 05-10-2018, 11:37 AM.
                                Regards, Phil

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